Tuesday, May 20, 2008

When New and Improved isn't Necessary or Better

Years ago there was Coke and Diet Coke, and then a funny thing happened. The Coca-Cola Company decide to change the formula, to change with the times to make it new, improved, better and it would break into the Pepsi drinkers market. New Coke did none of those things. Yes on paper it looked like a good idea. The marketing gurus were sure of it, they said it tested well, but somehow New Coke did nothing more than make people yearn for the original Coke. Yes there would always be Pepsi drinkers who would never ever drink Coke, no matter what they tried. Why did they even mess with it was the biggest cry from their customers. But by bringing back the original formula under pressure from their consumers it not only brought back the loyal soda drinkers that love their Coke just the way it was, but also brought in some new customers. Like to think it was because they saw Coca-Cola admitting that consumers knew the products better than they did and know what they like. It didn't make a difference if they knew what Coca-Cola secret formula was, they just like the way it was. Because tweaking and changing little bits and lots of bits created something that might have looked like Coke, but was nothing close to it. It didn't have that specialness that made it Coke.

And in a way, the same is for Hollywood. On November 11, 2005, an article ran on Jake in the most unlikeliness of place, the Wall Street Journal. Entitled "Will Jake Take?" and it was talking about how Hollywood was pushing Jake to the front to be a leading man. This ran right after Jarhead's premiere in the U.S. and before Brokeback.

To quote reporter John Lippman, "But for the moment, there's a gap between how he is being perceived, packaged and promoted in Hollywood and the degree to which the public likes or even is aware of him." Even then there were plans in place. Sometimes Hollywood picks you to fill that gap. "Demographics in part are playing a role in Hollywood's interest in Mr. Gyllenhaal. The cohort of serious young male actors in their mid-20s is very thin, giving the 24-year-old Mr. Gyllenhaal a leg up when it comes to selecting movie projects. 'There are not a lot of people right now under the generation of Tobey and Leo.' "

So slowly we have seen the repackaging of Jake happen over the last two years. But was there a need to repackage Jake? Has this repacking, perception and promotion made him better? Or has it made him like the New Coke. Has taking the indie out of him taking away the charm? Was Nailed his chance to do something edgy once again? Was his ambiguity the part of the secret formula? Or was it that "real thing" that made people want the Classic Coke, or Classic Jake back in this case?

Why does Hollywood feel that new and improved equals better?

There are some that want to know what it is that's put in Coke to make it Coke. And it is right on the label for everyone to see. You just don't know how it is mixed. And frankly you don't care, you just like the end result. In a way Jake was like that. All the ingredients were right out in the public, if you looked, but no one knew how they mixed together exactly to make a Jake. But they like the Jake that was there. Now you see everyone from both sides of the aisle looking for Classic Jake again.

In February of 2005, only 21% outside of Hollywood knew who Jake was, and his "Q Score," which measures how much people like a performer, was a tiny 8%. While it was predicted that those numbers would rise after Jarhead and Brokeback. And they did but did they rise enough, or did this most current Hollywood repackage plan of devoted and straight boyfriend sink his battleship, and see his Q Score drop?

Now some will argue that he has grown up, matured, changed. Yes there is a big difference in years in your twenties. Many would say that he is participating in this that he is responsible. But the real question is: Why does Hollywood force the actors to change when they are successful? Why do they feel that there is such a need to repackage their stars?

Sometimes new and improved isn't necessary or better. Coke learned this the hard way, and unfortunately Jake is starting to learn this too.

Hollywood stop telling us what we want, and let us decide for ourselves. If there are consumers that can bring down the most recognizable brand name product in the world, and teach Coca Cola a lesson, moviegoers can do the same thing.

Middle America doesn't have as much of a problem as you think they do, it's just what you marketing guys tell you. You are never ever going to get all the Pepsi drinkers to drink Coke, and you are never going to get all of your audience to embrace Jake. But the formula you have now is just making more and more look back to the Classic and some looking for a new drink.

UPDATE 2:55 EST: Announced Jake "crowned Prince of Persia"

102 comments:

  1. AMEN! This part is exactly what I want to scream out loud: "Hollywood stop telling us what we want, and let us decide for ourselves"

    And I hated New Coke. My sister and I hunted every store in Finland for the last bottles of classic (Diet) Coke when they changed the formula. The new stuff just wasn't the same and who wanted it in the first place?

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  2. What bothers me about Jake's bearding is that to me it seems like he could get away with doing less of it. And if he did less of it, maybe the whole thing wouldn't seem so fake.

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  3. I've heard that the creation of New Coke was a marketing ploy to get people re-interested in Old Coke. If so, it worked big time.

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  4. The Jake/New Coke thing is a terrible analogy and betrays a complete lack of understanding of both marketing and Jake's image.

    But let me focus on the most glaring flaw in that post, one so obvious that I'm amazed everyone has missed it: heterosexual Jake is Original Coke.

    Before Brokeback Mountain and the publicity drive that came with it, Jake was most famous for starring in Donnie Darko and being Kirsten Dunst's boyfriend. He was photographed with her constantly, there were reports of their various sexual adventures here, there and everywhere; they were a hot hollywood indie couple that were heading towards the big time.

    Heterosexual Jake, front and center. Original Coke.

    And now what do we have? Jake and Reese. Photographs of them together, various reports of them together, hints of marriage proposals etc etc etc.

    Heterosexual Jake, front and center. Original Coke.

    And sandwiched in between we have New Coke/New Jake, and the fans of New Coke/New Jake. And they are pissed. Because to them, damn it, New Coke/New Jake was better. It had more flavor, was much more appealing, was so obviously the right choice... and yet it has been removed from the shelves, and the old formula has returned.

    I could say even more about this, and maybe I will, but pointing out this one flaw is enough for the moment.

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  5. The Woman from Marketing said...
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    Umm, actually what you call "New Coke" is pretty close to what Jake was even when he was still with Kirsten.

    He was joking around, he was a little bit of a dork, he had his own life apart from Kirsten, too.
    In short, he had personality and he was an individual.

    If Jake and Reese was just like Jake and Kirsten I doubt so many people would be complaining.

    Due to the fact that he has started to completely keep his real private life private, we only get to see the Reeke Jake.
    And that Jake has no personality left anymore. Hell, if we're supposed to believe the reports, he doesn't even have any other purpose in life anymore than to make Reese happy and do nice things for her.

    If you can't see that this Jake is different than the Jake of the Kirsten era, then you might need to look back on that time again.

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  6. PR is selling flat Coke.

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  7. Great post Special. And you're absolutely right Stubborn.

    The film industry unfortunately is just as blind as the music business was to the way things have changed.

    Oddly enough television, once considered the most stodgy and conservative of the lot, has had to change. For example, just look at the soap opera that has had a jump in viewers after adding the gay story line.

    And I'm also very troubled about the level of bearding. What's to be gained by it? I'm beginning to wonder if Jake is not only trying to convince the public he is straight, but trying to convince TPTB that Austin isn't in his life anymore.

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  8. Jake has become the male Katie Holmes.

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  9. Stubborn tb, this post was about marketing, image, recognition. Thiose were the terms referenced, and those were the only valid terms on which the post could be engaged and critiqued.

    So what was Original Jake's image, as perceived by the market i.e. the general public? Answer: the boyfriend of a much more famous actress, and the star of a weird film. And that's if he was recognised at all.

    Original Coke.

    And now he's back to being perceived as the boyfriend of a much more famous actress, and he's doing his weird film thing again.

    Original Coke.

    Of course there are changes; he made Brokeback Mountain, which upped his level of fame, but followed it up with a couple of flops which have sunk him back down. And now, instead of being viewed by the market through the prism of Kirsten, he is being viewed through the prism of Reese.

    And, just as happened with Kirsten, when he is once again given the time and space to express himself to the media i.e. when he is required to promote Nailed, he'll try and shape the markets perception of him, but until then he'll just have to settle for how he is seen now.

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  10. And, just as happened with Kirsten, when he is once again given the time and space to express himself to the media ...

    Jake had (was allowed to have) personality and was an individual the whole time he was with Kirsten.

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  11. The bottom line and point I was trying to make was:

    "Hollywood stop telling us what we want, and let us decide for ourselves"

    It when they try to do the new and improved of what they think the public wants. Why can't they just leave well enough alone and let the public decide for themselves.

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  12. Please, Destiny. None of us have a clue about what is going on with Jake or Austin. All the insults you throw at Jake isn't going to change that.

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  13. Great post today and I love how well the music set the stage. I think even with Kiki, his personality was a bit under wraps. Not to the extent of Reese of course, but he has demonstrated a natural tendency to want to please and people take advantage of that, I think. There is an advantage to coming up the hard way in that you learn to be self reliant and to fight for yourself. Jake's HW upbringing prevented that. I do think that the PR strategy will not work in the long run. People sense what is real and what is not subconsciously and react accordingly. That's why Heath was so respected and J Depp is so loved. You knew/know what you were getting was the real deal, like them or not.

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  14. Great post today and I love how well the music set the stage. I think even with Kiki, his personality was a bit under wraps. Not to the extent of Reese of course, but he has demonstrated a natural tendency to want to please and people take advantage of that, I think. There is an advantage to coming up the hard way in that you learn to be self reliant and to fight for yourself. Jake's HW upbringing prevented that. I do think that the PR strategy will not work in the long run. People sense what is real and what is not subconsciously and react accordingly. That's why Heath was so respected and J Depp is so loved. You knew/know what you were getting was the real deal, like them or not.

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  15. "when he is once again given the time and space to express himself to the media i.e. when he is required to promote Nailed, he'll try and shape the markets perception of him, but until then he'll just have to settle for how he is seen now."

    If you don't see that he is actively shaping how the market perceives him you sure as hell don't work in marketing.

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  16. Sorry for the double, system running slow this AM so I hit the button twice.

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  17. Why does Hollywood feel that new and improved equals better?

    I think it's a bit more complicated.

    PR needed new and improved "A list" actress and that defined Jake's role.

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  18. There are a lot of great actors that have had very successful careers while being themselves, for better or worse. DDL and Sean Penn are two more that come to mind.

    For those of you who think the New Coke is working, I'd love to hear some exmples of actors who you think have built a good career by working the tabloids.

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  19. I like the post today and I agree with your basic principle of it. that hollywood doesn't have a clue about marketing or public opinion trend.

    Unfortunately, if there's really a "PR to help Jake reclaiming his heterosexual status campaign", it's not targeting to us (or even his fangirls)... seems to me, it's more of an effort made for the studios executives and for casual movie-goers. To convince them that yes, Jake looks and acts like a straight man, so you can invest in him safely. As long as the movie studios still think like that, there will be campaign like that.

    To be honest, if you ask any one of my non-Jake-fan friends, they will tell you there's no change in their opinion of him. To most of them, Jake's talented but boring when he's with Kirsten and he's talented but boring with Reese too. He is boring to them because he's never controversial. BBM might be controversial to some,but not Jake. His gay rumours are not as hugely spread as some might think.

    Actually I'd be pretty flattered if all these heavy handed efforts were done to alienate fans who think he's NCS.

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  20. Special,

    I'm sure you'll be happy to hear my baseball analogy... so today you "Hit this one right out of the Park" Home Run Baby! How you guys continue to come up with such relevant material and interesting posts is beyond me. No wonder we want the old Jake back, this one is so flat.

    By the way Wicked, I absolutely wallowed in JFC for the past two weeks, all 10 episodes and the commentaries. We should have a major discussion for Austin, Milch, and the rest of that strange and wonderful cast. I've put away the DVD set for now and will immerse myself in it once more, likely in the fall.

    Cheers everyone!

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  21. For those of you who think the New Coke is working, I'd love to hear some exmples of actors who you think have built a good career by working the tabloids.

    As I said before, since this is about image and the market, the New Coke analogy fits post-Kirsten/pre-Reese Jake. But you, and special k, and the overwhelming majority of posters here are taking an incredibly simplistic view of things, a view that can be summed up with following quote:


    If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail
    Abraham Maslow

    PR has become your hammer.

    Jake is seen with Reese? PR. Jake is seen in cycling shorts? PR to show he's in shape. Reese is seen in baggy clothing? A PR attempt to start pregnancy rumors, even if the next day she is seen in a bikini. Speaking of which, Reese pictured in a bikini? That's PR too. Jake isn't pictured with Austin? PR is keeping them separate. If Jake looks sad, it's because of the situation PR has put him in; if he looks happy it's because he has temporarily escaped the situation PR has put him in. All of the coverage Jake and Reese gets can be put in two camps; that which is created by PR and that which makes PR mad. PR, PR, PR, PR, PR.


    Well I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. PR is not the problem here.

    The problem is that Jake is doing things that a lot of people here don't like, and PR has become the useful explanation/punch bag for this. Using PR for this makes no sense if you look at things objectively, but since objectivity is in short supply here the PR blame game continues.

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  22. The problem is that Jake is doing things that a lot of people here don't like, and PR has become the useful explanation/punch bag for this.

    And you know that because you like the things Jake does, right?

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  23. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

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  24. And you know that because you like the things Jake does, right?

    No, I know this because every time Jake does something that is met with disapproval on this blog, a large number of posts blame PR. Are you challenging the accuracy of this observation? Because if you are I could probably copy/paste about, oh, maybe 200 examples of this phenomenon.

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

    Always good advice. But attempting to silence debate by slapping the troll label on a poster when you cannot come up with a rational counterpoint to their argument is incredibly trollish too.

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  25. Okay - then I will say what you're pussyfooting around, woman from marketing, because you want to instill the meme that Jake has always been straight, and Reese is business-as-usual:

    Kirsten Dunst was a beard, too.

    A much more believable and, at the time, a much more likable beard. As Ted Casablanca said, TT likes his beards blonde.

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  26. Using PR for this makes no sense if you look at things objectively, but since objectivity is in short supply here ...
    No, I know this because every time Jake does something that is met with disapproval on this blog, a large number of posts blame PR...

    You are too transparent.

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  27. One thing (among many) that does not make sense with the New Coke is that it doesn't even seem to be addressed to the demographcs most film marketers regard as key, men in their late teens to mid-thirties. Talk about poor marketing. I can't imagine there are many, if any, straight young men who are going to go see Jake in a movie because of Reese.

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  28. Okay - then I will say what you're pussyfooting around, woman from marketing, because you want to instill the meme that Jake has always been straight, and Reese is business-as-usual

    And I'll point out that you've created a strawman argument. Which you have. You've invented an argument which you can blast away at, but that argument isn't mine.


    Kirsten Dunst was a beard, too.


    Well then, we really are seeing the return of Original Jake, from a marketing point of view.

    You are too transparent.

    Yes, I make my points crystal clear. I spell them out in precise language, making sure everyone can understand them. You're failure to engage with them is even clearer.

    Talk about poor marketing. I can't imagine there are many, if any, straight young men who are going to go see Jake in a movie because of Reese.

    Thank you destiny for beautifully illustrating my point about PR being the only tool some people here have. Even when something doesn't make sense to you from a PR perspective, you still can't help but explain it in terms of PR.

    But I'm sure another hammer wielder will soon come along to tell you that obviously PR are aiming at the older female demographic and the young fangirls, although PR are doing a bad job of things there too, silly know-nothing PR people.

    Managers? Agents? Scripts? Saws? Screwdrivers? Who ever heard of such things?

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  29. I don't profess to understand a lot about marketing, but I do think Jake is marketing himself and doing it as he chooses, with the help of his PR. Jake is not a PR pawn.

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  30. I didn't mean to imply PR was working on its own, they would have pitched this whole campaign to Jake and he would have had to agree to go along with it. But I do think the ideas are driven by what PR/marketing has come up with.

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  31. Woo Hoo McConaughey! Looks like you're gonna get you wiglet!

    Jake is going to be very busy fella this summer.You know Austin might pitch him some pointers about losing the shirt, even though Jake has plenty of practice in Jarhead and a little in Rendition.

    I think that PoP may be the way for him to get the Box Office clout so that he can do what he really wants.

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  32. The Coke analogy is problematic, but the Jake brand is certainly changing. Jake, however, is not. The man is still as gay as a goose.

    Oh, and I notice that PoP starts filming in July. So, he won't lose any sleep if Nailed vanishes, and it looks like the Moon movie project was always a hoax.

    New coke indeed.

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  33. Great news!

    The more movies, the better.

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  34. Check out the worst tattoos in the world

    Someone has a Britney Spears tattoo- the bald headed Britney Spears!

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  35. So, he won't lose any sleep if Nailed vanishes, and it looks like the Moon movie project was always a hoax.

    Don't think so. Jake wasn't working for some time and I'm sure he appreciates all new projects.

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  36. No wonder Reese looked like Ma Kettle, she was just making sure Jake stayed out of trouble until the PoP announcement.

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  37. The big Disney franchise movie explains a lot of Jake's behavior and YES his PR campaign. The general public may believe in coincidences but anyone who seriously observes the machinations of the business of Hollywood knows that Reese and Jake's relationship was planned and orchestrated very carefully.

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  38. I'm very sorry to read about Sen. Kennedy. :(

    tr, I agree, there are no coincidences in HW. The photo opps are downright crude and clumsy sometimes. How could anyone seriously buy Rome? But nearly everyone did, just because it happened, and it got photographed.
    QED.

    Spesh, I love this post. I'll sip the new recipe Coke for a little while longer. Hope they never give us TAB ...

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  39. TAB!!

    I always said that Tab tasted like old bones. Not that I know what old bones taste like but it is such a chalky minerally taste. Ugh. Talk about leaving a bad taste in your mouth.

    And nope their are no coincidences in HW.

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  40. Totally Artificial Beverage.

    (Apparently).

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  41. Never heard that about Tab's name. If it's not true it should be. I drank many a Tab in my day, but anymore I don't bother with Coke unless it's the real thing.

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  42. destiny said...
    One thing (among many) that does not make sense with the New Coke is that it doesn't even seem to be addressed to the demographcs most film marketers regard as key, men in their late teens to mid-thirties. Talk about poor marketing. I can't imagine there are many, if any, straight young men who are going to go see Jake in a movie because of Reese.


    Maybe the key here Destiny is that age group of males are the ones that are addicted to video games. The PoP is a video character. My bet is that actor who plays taht character must be very very str8.

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  43. "No wonder Reese looked like Ma Kettle, she was just making sure Jake stayed out of trouble until the PoP announcement."

    "anyone who seriously observes the machinations of the business of Hollywood knows that Reese and Jake's relationship was planned and orchestrated"

    Exactly right on both counts. There are two ways to demonstrate the authenticity of a romance in HW : 1) your personal and family life were stable before the relationship, and remained so afterwards, 2) your career prospects were good before the relationship and remain relatively good afterwards. Jake's life deviates radically from the authenticity script. His personal life turned to mush after the fauxmance began, and his career prospects have improved since the fauxmance began. From Rome on, the entire collaboration reaked (no pun intended) of manipulation, mendacity and deception, and the PoP deal (combined with the Moon movie project double fake out) proves it.

    Reese was there to provide him with badly need emotional support because his family was falling apart (and still is), to give him a reliable running buddy in LA, to give him some free hetero imagery (hyped heavily by gossip rags and unscrupulous gossip columnists) and most importantly (keep Heath in the back of your mind) *keep Jake out of trouble*.

    I cannot emphasize the last point enough. I firmly believe that Jake was in crisis (near meltdown) last fall, and that Reese stepped in to save him. Ted has been wrong about some things and right about others (including the very existence of TT/Jake), but I really believe that he was right about one thing : Reese is trying to help a friend in crisis. To her credit, she didn't just sit around, pat him on the head and agree to meet him periodically for coffee and moral support. She made herself and her family available, actively worked on his behalf behind the scenes, gave him a place to go and a shoulder to cry on.

    If Jake's LA chums and colleagues had been more supportive and reliable during his mini-crisis, perhaps he wouldn't have turned to Reese, but they weren't and he did.

    It may not be romance or love (beyond the Will and Grace friendship), and it's filled with deception and manipulation, but at least it's stable. For that, I am grateful.

    Remember, this bearding charade could have been much worse. Think illegitimate children, drunk-driving arrests, melt-down in club or in front of the press (like RDJ latest outburst), drugs or worse. There are lots of little Montgomery Clifts running around LA today, gay actors who destroy their lives trying avoid mediocrity (living out of the closet but far from the A-list) *and* emotional emptiness (bearding in the closet). It's even more difficult when you're a hunky, brilliant romantic lead, like Jake. Reese kept him out of trouble.

    But the downside of Reeke, Inc. is that she calls the shots, he all but vanishes as an independent actor with any professional or political integrity, and most of his friends stayed away from them like the plague.

    Now that his career prospects have improved, let's hope that he'll begin to resurrect his social life (especially Chris) and stabilize his relationships with family. I'm not very optimistic about the latter. And I also think that Reese is going to keep her claws in him for as long as possible.

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  44. I cannot emphasize the last point enough. I firmly believe that Jake was in crisis (near meltdown) last fall, and that Reese stepped in to save him.

    Bullshit.

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  45. Serum,

    Jake has supportive family and real friends.

    Italian Vanity Fair interview, Oct 2007:

    SF: Would you like to have a family of your own?
    JG: Sure it's one of my aims for the future. A value that I put at the centre of my life: my parents are still together after thirty years.


    SF: But you get to success at a very young age as well.
    JG: And I've been lucky. Reaching success at an early age can be dangerous.
    I've been with actors all my life, and I've seen many of them having success and get to a bad end.
    But I'm lucky because I have a family that helped me not to stumble.

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  46. Oh god, not again, same old litany. Why do you never mention Austin?

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  47. Announced Jake "Crowned Prince of Persia"

    It's fucking awesome news, dude.

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  48. The only decent thing that Jake has done throughout this entire charade is keep his family away from the deceit and lies. I am sure they would have been brought in if reeke inc had began to fail. Hopefully now with the big news today Jake gets the money and fame he wants so desperately and that won't be neccsesary

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  49. I'm upset about the news of Senator Kennedy. Thinking about him, and he's in the best place for the best care. I hope for the best.

    Spesh, I was one of the ones complaining bitterly about the reformulation of Coke too! Why tamper with perfection? I wasn't big on TAB, tried Fresca once in awhile, bleech! There's no substitute for the real thing. ;)

    That said, I'm thrilled about the news of Jake being crowned Prince of Persia. I do think it will allow him freedom to do what he wants, in many ways - financial and personal. :)

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  50. Serum, you are Coffee, Tea, Oats, and the Constructive Sublimation Poster. How do I know this? Because you make the same points over and over and over. You also talk like an insider but have said you're not one. How do you know what's going on with Jake's family and friends behind the scenes? You don't. Give it a rest, man!

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  51. I'm a big Coke Classic fan.

    OK, I will be shallow and say it, but I can't wait to see six pack in Prince of Persia.

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  52. Me too! A little somethin' somethin' for everyone, this film promises to be. ;) Great post today too, I should mention, the NY Times article was very interesting.

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  53. Well, I'm with netb concerning the PoP news, I hope it gives Jake space and time to relax and reconnect with whatever and whomever he chooses. I'd love to see him attempt some ventures and just basically re-ignite his own spark; it's smoldering down there somewhere.

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  54. Great post Special. I guess HW operates like any advertising firm, i.e. trying to convince people that they actually want the product it is selling.

    And great news for Jake. Clearly what he was longing for. And, great news for Reese too. If the bearding actually led to this, then I won't expect it to end anytime soon. If PoP is a BO hit and it becomes a franchise, Jake will need to cater to his superstraight image with a renewed vengeance and I don't think only one successfull film could put him in a strong enough position to confront and dump Reese.

    At first glance Dastan doesn't seem like a very demanding role but if well done the movie could be fun and Jake might surprise us.

    Seaweed, I particularly liked your suggestion of a discussion about JFC. :)

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  56. Now, if only TMZ could help all of you reveal that pesky Toothy Tile.

    Anybody else wondering if Ted is hinting that TMZ has something on good ole Tooth? After all, TMZ were the ones who broke the Jake on the JFC set story.

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  57. Seaweed, I particularly liked your suggestion of a discussion about JFC. :)

    Me too. Glad to hear you enjoyed the show, Seaweed. Who else would like to talk JFC?

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  58. I would love to talk about JFC. I love the series, and there is so much in each episode to discuss.

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  59. Hollywood Tuna's take on Reese in her bikini

    I read somewhere that this bikini is not new and that she was seen wearing it in 2006. Allegedly she looked much better in it then. I think after a certain number of kids and a certain age, your days of string bikini wearing are ovah! A woman needs to be smart enough to realize this.

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  60. I agree NETB and BLTB

    I hope it gives Jake space and time to relax and reconnect with whatever and whomever he chooses. I'd love to see him attempt some ventures and just basically re-ignite his own spark; it's smoldering down there somewhere.

    Couldn't have said it better BLTB!

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  61. beeeeuuuutifuuuul post today sk.

    the price of persia..hope it doesnt cost too much.

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  62. the price of persia..hope it doesnt cost too much.

    150 millions! Might be just a false rumour though.

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  63. I was being sarcastic when I referred to trouble; the kind of trouble I meant was being seen out somewhere playing footsie with Austin.

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  64. Several points about PoP -

    1) PoP is not a family oriented game, it's rated T(teen), unlike that other Disney blockbuster POTC which is rated E(verbody). Basically, PG-13. And it doesn't have CS Lewis' thinly veiled analogies to pull in the fundie crowds.

    2) This movie will either be aimed at gamers for the name recognition, keeping it close to the its origins, or gutted to appeal to non-gamers, thus turning off the ones that could give it that important word of mouth advertizing.

    3)The gaming world is truly a global community thanks to FPS, RPG, MMORPG and platformers (like PoP). And gamers come in all shapes, sizes, geographic locations, genders, ages and, yes, sexual orientations, and everyone cyberally co-exists happily. No one really cares what/who you're zooming as long as you don't f**k up while taking down the enemy.

    4) The most sought after demographic, males 15-35, are from a much more tolerant generation, many of whom believe in gay rights and can call several GLBT people as close friends. Also, this is same demographic that has embraced, on both sides of the pond, "Torchwood", a sci-fi show with an out gay man as the leading man whose character on the show is involved in a same-sex relationship.

    5) The most sought after demographic has changed, and not only are females avid gamers, with coveted dollars to spend, fangirls are internet and LJ savvy. Fangirls that are also into HP, LOTR and any other fandom out there that thrives on slash.

    6) The people Reeke was concocted for are not movie ticket buyers, only movie gossip magazine buyers.

    7) No guarentee WHATSOEVER that this one movie will automatically translate into a franchise, thus granting Jake years of work and fame. The cineplex parking lot is littered with movies that died an ignominious death by an audience's cold shoulder.

    If Jake has put all of his career eggs in a Reeke basket for this movie, his wake-up call won't be pretty.

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  65. G4, unfortunately HW (meaning filmmakers) is behind the times and have become the most conservative media form, so I seriously doubt Disney would have cast someone widely perceived as gay in a movie like this.

    Terrible news about Ted Kennedy.

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  66. No, of course not, Destiny. They're the ones that are pushing Zac as a straight teen heart-throb.

    My point was that the Reeke dog and pony show to get the part, won't mean shit to the ones who will be buying the tickets.

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  67. With the way he's going Jake might be a spent hen before he turns 30.

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  68. ita with you G4. But tickies arent the only things on the auction block. think amusement park rides, spec edition games, jake dolls and macdonalds happy meal toys..for starters..mass appeal..

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  69. Immaculate analysis, G4. Obviously Jerry Bruckheimer disagrees with you (no one begins to produce an expensive film hoping that it will bomb). Since he knows just a thing or two about the film-making business, I am hoping that PoP is in safe hands. I am also trusting that Mike Newell, who also knows just a thing or two about film directing, will do his job well.
    Of course, you can have your fair share of schadenfreude if the film bombs. And if it doesn't, well...

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  70. My point was that the Reeke dog and pony show to get the part, won't mean shit to the ones who will be buying the tickets.

    Ahem, striking a multi-million dollar business deal has nothing to do with the actual quality of the end product or final revenues.

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  71. I wouldn't mind a discussion on JFC. I recently bought it, although haven't had a chance to view it except the 1st episode. Hope to see more of it while dogsitting this coming weekend.

    Can't help being excited about POP. I hope he does a great job and it turns out to be a good flick.

    Couple of songs to request if they ever work into a post: "Inner Smile" by Texas and "Waiting in Vain" by Annie Lennox. They're both on soundtracks.

    Woman from Marketing got on my nerves big time.

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  72. I wouldn't mind a discussion on JFC. I recently bought it, although haven't had a chance to view it except the 1st episode. Hope to see more of it while dogsitting this coming weekend.

    Can't help being excited about POP. I hope he does a great job and it turns out to be a good flick.

    Couple of songs to request if they ever work into a post: "Inner Smile" by Texas and "Waiting in Vain" by Annie Lennox. They're both on soundtracks.

    Woman from Marketing got on my nerves big time.

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  73. She was from Babalonia not Marketing.

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  74. Ahem, striking a multi-million dollar business deal has nothing to do with the actual quality of the end product or final revenues.

    And therein, Rattler, lies the crux of my disenchantment with Jake. That the bottom line, and the selling of one's soul to achieve it, has become all, the ultimate goal, the definition of success, not a finely crafted and nuanced portrayal that touches and transcends with inner truth.

    Thought he was an actor, when in fact he's a movie star.

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  75. Why can't Jake be a sell out? Johnny Depp and Nic Cage both sold out. They don't ever have to worry about money. Nobody gets into this business, to be a nobody. I wish Jake all the best.

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  76. I don't think we should read that much into it. So he wants to make some money doing something he loves, don't we all? An occasional blockbuster doesn't make someone a sell-out. It may allow him to have the money to do more independent films. A lot of actors do all kinds of films, why is everyone so demanding of Jake? He's not doing anything other actors don't do.

    And just because someone might like to see a movie that appeals to a wide range of people with the younger ones in their family doesn't automatically make them a fundie, and by extension a (fill in the blank). Enjoying C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia doesn't make them fundies either; that can can be enjoyed just for its beautiful stories alone. Yes, it may contain analogies to Christian thought, but also Greek and Roman myth, Norse myth, and Irish myth. I've even heard of it being attributed to Satanism, just as Harry Potter was, so you can't please all of the fundies all of the time. It's how the stories are interpreted, rightly or wrongly. Relgious content or thought isn't always something to make one gasp in horror; what should make one gasp in horror is how it is taken out of context and used to hurt people much of the time, which is why I am not a follower of any organized religion, but will not denigrate it at every turn either.

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  77. methinks Woman from Marketing was aslo Not An Anon from a week ago. obnoxious.

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  78. Prairie Girl, I'd encourage you to watch the first ep. of JFC again with the Milch commentary. It will really help you pick things up a bit more quickly. I really love how Rebecca DeMornay plays such a loud and obnoxious character. Grayson Fletcher might be a novice actor but IMHO he does the series a service as the quietly, obedient, thoughtfull, understated teen. Bill Jacks is a treasure of a character, and has so many memorable exhortations.

    Thanks for your votes for a JFC discussion Frenchy and Wicked. I think it be a winner.

    So, Prairie Girl, just stick with it and I'm sure you won't be disappointed. It really does grow on you. I need to find a copy of the intro soundtrack, it is addictive and makes me smile.

    Simple pleasures for Seaweed!
    Night all.

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  79. Oh, yeah, I've not given up on it. I admit it does start out kind of strange but Austin's character already cracks me up with his mocking of everybody he meets. I know I'll have some down time this weekend so it'll be a good time to see some Austin. Glad to get the good words of encouragement!
    In case anyone's a closet DWTS fan, Kristi Yamaguchi & Mark Ballas won tonight.

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  80. G4: I totally see your reasoning. At this point, it seems stardom is Jake's first priority. To be honest, it disappoints me too. I hope there will be movies like DD, BBM etc. in the making at the expense of PoP.
    It will be therefore interesting to follow his career path (he is only 27). I am sure I will be disillusioned too, if Jake ultimately forsakes cinematic (or culinary) art for attaining fake stardom and continues with the unnecessary bearding.
    Peace.

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  81. Well I guess congrats are in order. Jake got the role he was after. I hope the sacrifices made prove to be worth it. I can see that Austin could not very well hold him back from such a potentially big income, so maybe that's why he goes along with this. Or at least why he agreed to it in principle.

    Before Pirates was a hit, the suits were all over Johnny Depp trying to get him to change his portrayal of Capt Jack, but he held firm and audiences went nuts over it. Plenty of actors would have caved. I dont see him as a sellout at all.

    POP is not my type of movie, but agin, I wish Jake well in the endeavor. Big responsibility he's taken on, very high profile. If the movie is not successful, the buck is likely to fall on his shoulders. I hope he is strong enough to handle it.

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  82. I don't know, I don't see how we can tear someone down that we don't even know, constantly. We don't know for sure, at least I don't, if he's bearding or not, if he's going to sell out, and extrapolating on whether his future films are going to be worthy or not, and frankly, I don't want to waste my time being miserable. Most actors have done the gamut of films, and it's extremely unfair to single Jake out because he might do one that doesn't meet with everyone's approval, or because you don't like how he's handling his private life. Nothing says that a bigger film can't be artistic. It's not realistic to expect that an actor isn't going to grow and change over the years, he's got quite a career ahead of him, there's no way to tell what he will do. Special K and Wicked do a great job trying to keep this blog on an upbeat, positive note. I have no way to know what is going on in Jake's private life, don't claim to, and have no wish to. All I want is to see a good film every now and then, and easy on the eyes isn't bad either. Aside from that, an actor's personal life doesn't enter into it, any actor can play any role, it's what they do.

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  83. interesting comments re jake as pop from gamers pov

    Joystiq

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  84. I'm pretty busy today and tomorrow so did not have a lot of time to surf checking on the reaction to POP, but the places I did check I was surprised at the reaction. More negative than I expected. No gaming sites, just my usual general gossip sites. Of course the reaction to Heath/Joker was mixed too and look now. I cant wait for The Dark Knight to come out. I plan to call in sick just to see it first day. This spoken by a 50+ yr old woman. POP sounds like it has a good director, screenwriter etc.

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  85. m.. the reaction isn't that good really is it. Seems to be some very justifiable views that there's a slight taint of racism in all this, aren't there any middle eastern / iranian actors out there who could do the role. It actually seems a role that would really suit a Bollywood star.

    (Reese's bikini shoot seems to be going down a storm as well)

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  86. I don't know, I don't see how we can tear someone down that we don't even know, constantly.

    AdiĆ³s Babbler.

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  87. Seems to be some very justifiable views that there's a slight taint of racism in all this

    thats what most of joystik site comments were.

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  88. they were aslo about how jake is not a physical actor. if he hurt hius ankle practicing pop or playing bb i wunder how many days off he'll be taking for injuries from pop filming..maybe alot of stunt doubles..woo hoo nothin like spec effects.

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  89. IHJ has pics from May 17 and 18. I like this one.

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  90. I'm sceptic about Jake as PoP but he'll probably surprise us and make it work. At least he's pursuing different types of roles.

    As I recall Jake chickened out on the cliff jumping in BBM so I'm wondering how many of the stunts he's going to do himself in PoP.

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  91. Love the new pix. E! published one of these pix on Monday with the caption that they were looking for a yoga class. Of course they were shopping! The favorite passtime of Reeke.

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  92. The people Reeke was concocted for are not movie ticket buyers, only movie gossip magazine buyers.

    The people Reeke was concocted for are the monied suits of Hollywood.

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  93. IHJ has pics from May 17 and 18. I like this one.

    Reese should do that all the time.

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