Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Two Snaps and a Twist

Art Appreciation today.

Same photographer, two relationships, the head and shoulders aren't the same. Bur are the fingers and the toes?




Interesting that the poses are similar yet a different, what does that mean? Is there some symbolism to who's prominent in the picture and who's not? What is the message the photography is trying to convey?

67 comments:

  1. Dear Ted:
    Is Toothy Tile currently being bearded by another B.V.?
    —seabee

    Dear Blind Overlap:
    Of course. But I don't think that narrows it down much.

    AT

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  2. Very interesting about the photos. I like the one with Kiki. Jake's arms are so thin, hard to believe it is him.
    :ard to interpret it now that I feel clueless about the true nature of their relationship.

    Photographers often use variations on the same pose, style etc. Tempting to say that Jake is always hiding behind women.

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  3. It's not Jake, that's some girl behind Kirsten.

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  4. Well, that would explain the skinny arms. :-D

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  5. Those arms look too skinny to be male. Unlike the legs, that do not look feminine at all.

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  6. But look at the length of those fingers. I don't know girls with fingers/hands that long.

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  7. Same as Kirsten's fingers.

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  8. That pointer finger could rival ET's and those are not very ladylike knuckles

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  9. I don't think of Jake as having long fingers, not like Austin's. And now that I've had time to study it, I do think the arms look more like a woman's, unlike the legs.

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  10. Re Wicked's comment about Toothy/Ted, Twilight and Pattison rule right now. I think Ted knows that eventually that will wear off so he does not want to abandon Toothy, so he still mentions him once in a while. Who knew that PRs efforts would never be as successful as the next best thing coming along. Even in Toothy's heyday, he never generated as many comments as Pattison.

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  11. Pattison is so non threatening as Edward and that creates a following. It's when he decides he wants to be more than Twilight when his fanbase will change.

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  12. Some more info about D23 Expo, It's Sept 10-13, the Emmy's are 12th. It looks likely both Jake and Austin will be in CA that weekend. (It makes sense too that Love and Drugs will start production later in Sept. that between Jake's Disney stuff and Anne's maybe needing a little break after working on her latest)

    Disney Studio Chairman Dick Cook will present exclusive sneak peeks at such highly anticipated Disney features as “Disney’s A Christmas Carol,” Tim Burton’s “Alice in Wonderland,” “Old Dogs” (with Robin Williams and John Travolta), “Prince of Persia” and “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” (both from producer Jerry Bruckheimer), “Tron: Legacy,” plus updates on many more exciting projects. Lasseter will discuss and show materials from such upcoming Walt Disney and Pixar Animation Studios’ motion pictures as “The Princess and the Frog,” “Rapunzel,” “Toy Story 3,” etc. Both presentations will be held at The Anaheim Convention Center in a 4000-seat arena.

    The other part of D23 that caught my eye was that they are screening Darby O'Gill and the Little People, which I was just thinking about last week.

    D23 info

    The thought crossed my mind that the ADR/Loop job might need to be for the the D23 preview.

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  13. The thought crossed my mind that the ADR/Loop job might need to be for the the D23 preview.

    Very true! Good observation. They might need something now because they're still working on fixing Jake's fucked-up voice on POP.

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  14. The previews for PoP, Alice, Sorcerer's and the other new stuff is Friday morning.

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  15. Wicked I also think people read way too much into what he says and the way he says things. I can't do that kind of analysis.

    Why do you always make it a point to say "I also think people read way too much into what he says" when we get to discussing or interpreting Ted's letters or BVs? Yawn. Keep doing the music plugin, Debbie Downer.

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  16. You know everyone here can express their opinion, that's what OMG started out to be. Hey I like still figuring out what Ted says, and Wicked doesn't, and that's cool. She can say what she wants and I can too, we both respect each other and that with have differences of opinions.

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  17. Whew, having some really strong thunderstorms right now. I had to unplug my laptop. That's the last thing I need is for my new one to fry up!

    The thing about that Kirsten picture is the wrists seem awfully narrow. But Jake does have narrow, almost delicate-like wrists. He also has sort of long and slender fingers, seems to me, anyway. But is the 2nd person actually hiding behind Kirsten? How could Jake hide behind her? Look how skinny Kirsten is.

    Hey!! My sister subscribes to TV Guide and it came in the mail today. There's Austin & Sophia in there, towards the very front, looking excellent.

    And I am quite excited to see that Austin got a bit of a scattered trail, oh yessiree he does. I swear. I was beginning to think Austin was like a Mexican Hairless dog. The guy appeared to grow no hair anywhere, lol. But encouraging to see a light dusting around the navel. This picture is alot clearer in person than those online pictures.

    He's got a round, gold/bronze colored disc and the other thing is that squiggly, lightning bolt thing I thought I'd seen around his neck before. It's like a tooth, a lightning bolt, something along that shape.

    Excellent, excellent coup for Austin to get in TV Guide. It's a foot in the door, that's what I say. And I'm telling you. I just have this feeling and that is that I can see Austin's career going places with this stint on OTH. He's got the great, charming personality. He's got the acting chops to do some things and that guy has got the hottest looks going right now.

    And it's one thing to be a skinny minny like that Pattinson guy (or however you spell his name. He's like underfed or something.
    It's another thing to be lean like Austin is but to be buffed in the right places.

    Am I campaigning enough? LOL!

    I'm really excited about the the Disney version of A Christmas Carol. That's the only one.

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  18. encouraging to see a light dusting around the navel

    Wait til he gets old and there's hair in his ears and growing at the top of his butt crack!

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  19. lightning bolt thing I thought I'd seen around his neck before. It's like a tooth

    Austin I TOLD you not to wear anything that looks like a tooth. Shit!

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  20. Special K She can say what she wants

    She only pipes up when someone compliments her music or to remind people that she thinks they read way too much into what Ted says!

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  21. Wicked talks on here alot more than that, stop exxagerating, whoever you are. Unlike someone like me who spouts on & on & on & on, when Wicked comes on here, she doesn't mince words and she's concise. The lady is one sharp tack and she's one of the nicest, warmest persons you'll ever meet.

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  22. Trying to look through old Jake pictures. I know I have see Jake with a necklace that had a bolt/horn on it.

    You know what I do find interesting is the two pendants that he used wear with the blue/clear ones, showed up visibly around the time Ted wrote the first BI about Toothy.

    Just like Austin blue ring I think jewelry, talismans etc are their connections with each other.

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  23. Love it, Special is on the hunt!! Just like a sniffin' hunting dog, she will find what she's looking for if it is out there to be found.

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  24. "Lightning Bolt Tooth"

    Or is it Tinkerbell?

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  25. Thanks so much Here you Go - Gold Stars for you!

    Was just going back through the old stuff and realize just how long it has been since Jake has done a TV interview. It's been too long. One thing about Brothers coming out is that will get to see him bring some of the sparkly charm back on TV. I love that he gets the giggles. I can only imagine how much he must doing other things of camera. ; )

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  26. Those are def womens hands. I have been setting up IVs in hands for many years. Those are womens hands. Some woman do have very long fingers.

    My PC never recovered from a very bad storm last night. Thank goodness for the laptop.

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  27. That wasnt a lighting bolt under Jake shirt when he forgot to wear his undershirt. How convenient we see this photo.

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  28. Some woman do have very long fingers

    Ectomorphs!

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  29. My fingers were so long my parents started me on piano lessons when I was 5. They were hoping for a concert pianist!

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  30. thinking lovely thoughtsAugust 19, 2009 at 9:21 PM

    Or is it Tinkerbell?

    High up, and as light as I can be.
    I must be a sight lovely to see.

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  31. Way to go "Here Ya Go". That was quick.

    Rats, though. That doesn't look like what Austin has on, tho. Austin's looks longer and it doesn't look as jagged. I could be wrong, tho, It's partially hidden by that gold medallion.

    Hey, and Austin has a little 6 pack going there, too. The guy's been hitting the gym or something.

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  32. I wouldn't put too much stock in what Austin is wearing in the TV guide picture. That was done as promo for the show so the costume could be strictly the characters, not his. Its what he wears on his personal time that I care about.

    I am anxious for Jake's Brothers promo. What is he going to talk about? He cant discuss POP. He used to talk about his folks, but now they are divorced so that is a sore subject. Is he going to talk about coffee runs, shopping and being Reese's go fer?

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  33. Austin has always had a great core, he needed it for waterskiing. And he wasn't looking shabby shirtless at ACL. I remember him in an interview talking about his mom doing yoga, which would be an asset for flexibility in waterskiing. Wonder if he does too? But how long would that yoga mat have to be? Why am I thinking is he and Jake would be into perfecting Downward Dog.

    Oh just send the nuns to hand me the keys to the bus for hell for that one. I think I need to go to confession for that one and I'm not even Catholic.

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  34. M- That's a really good question. I wonder if Jake will talk about getting the opportunity to work with his friends, especially Natalie on Brothers, if he liked playing the bad sheep, what it's like to work with Jim Sheridan, complete with a drinking story, and what's it like in prison. You know he will have interviews that sparkle and are fun no matter how serious the conversation. The question is if he will say anything about his personal life and if so what.

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  35. Jake will only talk about his personal life if his people tell the media it's okay to do so, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

    Isn't TV Guide only available by subscription? Sigh, I'm going to have to find someone who gets it.

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  36. TV Guide's still sold at newstands and drugstores Dest.

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  37. Thanks Special! I did try at one stand today, and the guy looked at me as if I had 5 heads, and I thought I'd read it was subscription only, must be thinking of something else.

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  38. Beautiful music today.

    Speaking of music, I went and saw It Could Get Loud in Here, I highly recommend it to anyone interested in rock guitarists and/or the Edge, Jimmy Page or Jack White.

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  39. Thanks for the recommendation Dest, will have to check it out, you had me at Jimmy Page, and then took it over the Edge for me. (Waiting for the groan to my shameful pun)

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  40. While word of mouth could always make or break a movie, it usually took days to affect the box office. But the rise of social networking tools like Twitter may be narrowing that time frame to mere hours. And that has Hollywood on edge.

    Twitter Effect Rattles Hollywood

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  41. Bearding BoilerplateAugust 20, 2009 at 1:37 AM

    I saw what People, Us and Us Weekly wrote about Renee Zellweger and Bradley Cooper's "new romance" and gee, it sounded soooo familiar. I took the names and specifics out, and what do you see? Is it just me or do you also get a total deja vu on it about Reeke?!


    "XXXXX seemed to be hanging on to YYYYY's every word," a witness told [MAGAZINE]. "They were lost in their own little world."

    The romance between XXXXX and YYYYY appears to be heating up, but the pair aren't ready for the spotlight just yet.

    "They get along really well and just kinda click," a source tells [MAGAZINE] in the upcoming issue. "XXXXX likes that YYYYY is low-key."

    The pair, who costar in the upcoming thriller [MOVIE], recently spent time in [CITY] together, then returned to the States, where they each went their separate ways – briefly.

    On Saturday, XXXXX attended the premiere of her new movie [MOVIE] in [CITY] while YYYYY was at another event that same evening.

    But the cozy costars soon met up again. Sunday night, they attended a private party together in [CITY], then were spotted at a [COFFEE CAFE] in [CITY] on Monday.

    As for why YYYYY didn't come to XXXXX's screening and XXXXX didn't accompany YYYYY to the [EVENT], the source tells [MAGAZINE]: "They're not ready for red carpets. They don't want to be public just yet."

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  42. my question is: when are J&R gonna be ready for red carpets? why didn't they walk together this year? i felt like that was done on purpose, and after all this time letting folks assume they are together, it should've been a nobrainer. they didn't do it for a reason, and the only reason i can come up with is because they didn't want that extra level of coupleness to be attached to them.

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  43. Interesting take on the Moon project:

    Moon Project

    " I just spent time with Jake, who is also a producer on the movie, and hopefully the star of the movie, and he’s doing research, and thinking about it, and has all kinds of good ideas, and — like all Dougie’s movies, but maybe more than the others — it’s an all-hands-on-deck, everybody’s-contributing-ideas process."

    Jake is clearly much more involved and working on this project than we all knew.

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  44. Austin does look in great shape
    in the new issue of TV Guide. I
    thought the necklace had a shark's
    tooth on it but I may be wrong! I
    think Sophia is gorgeous also. I
    am glad that Austin got the OTH job. I also think that Jake loved
    Kirsten very much. She really is
    incredibly thin! Sorry that I do
    not post as much but this has been
    a VERY HECTIC week for me! I also
    wonder why Reese/Jake have not
    appeared at a red carpet event
    together or even come right out and
    said "Yes, we are dating!" It is
    the same old thing!! Do you remember when I said a couple weeks
    ago I bet that Austin/Sophia might
    start dating? They do look good
    together!!

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  45. I also think that Jake loved
    Kirsten very much.
    (Kacie)

    ITA. I was going thru pics and the contrast between Jake+KD and Jake+Reese photos is startling. Jake and KD touched each other not only intentionally but in little gestures. They mirrored each other's postures and expressions, they laughed, they looked at each other and had eye contact in most pics.

    Some think KD was a beard. If she was, then Jake's fauxmance acting skills used to be 1,000,000% better. Whatever sexual category Jake is now, IMO he was with KD back then and it was lovely. Reeke even with an Oscar winner can't fauxmance-act their way out of a paper bag.

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  46. Dear Blind Overlap:

    BO = Body Odor = Reese "I don't shower every day" Shafterella!

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  47. 2 twitters from Philly's pap, staking out restaurants to catch Reese coming out from dinner:

    I'm in rittenhouse square undercover ie in the bushes
    about 5 hours ago from TwitterBerry

    Omg a fucking huge rat just ran across my feet.
    about 5 hours ago from TwitterBerry

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  48. Omg a fucking huge rat just ran across my feet

    The pap saw Reese!

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  49. Yeah, I agree m, on looking at what Austin is wearing for that promo picture. It was just kinda fun, is all.

    5 heads. LOL, Destiny! People in NYC are too busy to watch the tube, maybe, eh? It's a big picture.
    I'm impressed. What an exposure for Austin and it's way up towards the front, too. Austin looks like holding Sophia is like holding an orange on his back. lol. No problem-o.

    Just saw the OTH promo pic on Spooky's site. Not a good one. I don't like the gothic'ness look to it. Maybe Gothic isn't the right word but it's kind of yucky. And let me say this that I won't say on Spooky's journal because she's getting some hits from OTH fans, I think (don't want to startle those girls!): and that is that Austin's pose is uh...not like the other 2 guys' at all. LOLLL! Austin!! Austin forgot himself there for a moment, I think. I'm wondering why the photographer didn't play with his stance a little bit?
    It was a snicker moment when I saw that one, I have to say.

    I'll be curious to hear anyone else's reaction to it????

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  50. This reference was lifted from WFT2 who mentioned that the photog who took the pictures of Jake and Reese's kids is not being asked back by the race sponsors again. They give a link over there from Facebook. Here's the content of what it says:

    Most of you are aware that photos of one of our participants along with photos of his girl friend's kids appeared in the tabloids, both print and online. They were sold without our knowledge by the photographer that we invited to take race photo...Read More
    Yesterday at 7:55am
    Monica, Mike, Lesley and 2 others like this.


    Well, guess Reeke can't count on getting another photo op at the race next year.
    Hmmm. Now ponder this.

    You know how Reeke values their privacy. You know how "protective" Jake has been of photogs around Deacon before in the past. Remember the big ol' stiff-arm?

    It just kind of dawns on me that no one was stiff-arming the photog at the Chillmark race. No one was holding up their palms at him, wanting privacy or Greta Garbo'ish "I Vant To Be Alone" rants.

    Interesting. Martha's Vineyard does seem to pride themselves on privacy and all that. So it makes me wonder if they didn't appreciate these pictures being passed around on the 'net and what about Mrs. Gyllenhaal? She was papped, too. Smiling as big as a crescent moon.

    And why no statements from Reese on being unhappy about these pictures? Invasion of a "private family moment"?

    No pulling of the pictures?

    Sounds like just Martha's Vineyard race hosts weren't pleased. But why??? Just not authorized to, I guess? Why would the Chillmark Race hosts be bothered by these pictures?

    Special, can you explain your spin on this to me? I"m puzzled.

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  51. Okay, sorry for the 3 remarks in a row. I can't help it I'm the only one up, lol!!
    But this one won't wait til lunch.

    I think I smell me a rat on this MV Chillmark race pr opportunity And I'm calling it a PR opportunity because it would appear to me that the Chillmark people are the ones who hired the photog.
    BUT, since it's the Chillmark people who are for some reason not happy about the pics being published (and how on earth would they know about this?? lol, from the MV residents, maybe? I'm trying to figure that one out, too).

    Otherwise, the statement would say something to the effect, "at the request of participants, we are asking this photographer not be asked back", etc etc.

    He's certainly not being asked back at the request of Jake or his mom or Reese. Because the photog's right in his face taking that snapshot of Jake taking a Kodak of Ava. And he's right in front of Jake while he makes his goofy finish line cross. So you can't tell me Jake didn't see the guy. And he apparently didn't have any objections to the pictures being taken. Didn't seem to cross any "privacy" barrier or "private family time" barrier.

    Sorry, it just kind of grates on my nerves all over again.

    Anyway, I'm just curious why the Chillmark people would be unhappy. Does it just have to do with him making money and them not getting any? Or just him not asking permission? Would it have been different if he had just asked? Why would he do that anyway? You would think him being a photographer that he knows the ins & outs of copyright and getting approval, all that business end of it. And also, how would they hear about the pictures being on the internet?

    I'll look forward to checking in when the super goes up for her 9 o'clock meeting, lol.

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  52. Not loving the promo photo either. It is kind of cold, no feeling of connection between the actors, which is so not what the show is like. It looks photoshopped, and that background just seems stupid given how they are all dressed.

    Strange about the Chillmark photographer. We know Reese doesn't care, or she wouldn't have allowed places to use photos of her kids. My guess is that they didn't want him to use the race for commercial gain by selling the photos, and perhaps they didn't want that kind of publicity for their race, wanting to keep it small and private. It looks like Reeke strikes again--using an event for the pr they want, so what if anyone else cares.

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  53. By the way, got the TV Guide, oh my is it gorgeous to see on paper. Austin looks ecstatic in that photo. I think he's probably really loving getting all this attention for who he is, and for his work.

    As opposed to pap photos, where it was all about trying to capture his private life. And I think that has nothing to do with being gay, I just get the sense he is not that comfortable with that side of the business, just the way he is still quite nervous on the red carpet, etc. Makes me think of Ted's post about K. Stewart and how that aspect of her makes her so interesting and likeable. I totally agree, and feel the same way about Austin.

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  54. what about Mrs. Gyllenhaal? She was papped, too. Smiling as big as a crescent moon.

    he's right in front of Jake while he makes his goofy finish line cross.


    ^^ Both were automated pics, taken of all participants who crossed the finish line.

    IMO the ruckus on the photog is about him taking extra pics, that he sold to the tabs, while he was supposed to be doing what the Chilmark race people hired and paid him to do. Depending on their contract: 1.) the extra pics are owned by Chilmark Race and he was unauthorized to sell them for his personal gain OR 2.) the extra pics, taken on the clock, are proof that the photog was not doing the specific job he was hired to do.


    I see both sides of it. He would have been smarter to use an intermediary to sell the pics and not claim them as his, or just not take advantage of the situation in the first place. My guess is the Chilmark Race people are pissed that the photog took the pics while he was on the job and sold them behind their back, because they never would have given permissions for him to do either.

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  55. Thanks Boilerplate for that analysis. They really must just have a form pr and the tabloids use, and yet people continue to fall for it.

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  56. I feel bad for the Philly pap guy, he seems so nice. Fuck you Reese. Paul Rudd, I love you.

    Small excerpt:

    when Paul exited his security detail put up an umbrella to block the shot, Paul says to the guy "what are you doing? We don't need this drama!!" Pushes the umbrella out of the way and let's the paparazzi get off a few shots. Paul you're fucking great. So Reese & Owen why the drama. These photos aren't for me they're for you fans, I'm not getting rich off of them, I am literally taking them so the fans that read about you everyday, see you. If you look on the blogs out there, they are recycling your photos, sometimes purporting them as current like last week when your shiner picture made the rounds again. Please let me get a couple photos and I will leave you alone for a month, I'd like to get some sleep.

    Philly Chit Chat

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  57. She only pipes up when someone compliments her music or to remind people that she thinks they read way too much into what Ted says!


    I also put links to online articles that are of interest to the gay community. Hopefully some people like them.

    Why do you always make it a point to say "I also think people read way too much into what he says" when we get to discussing or interpreting Ted's letters or BVs? Yawn. Keep doing the music plugin, Debbie Downer.

    Thanks for the advice. I've thought a lot about how to participate in this blog. I like the people here and talking to them, but I am not interested in the subject(s) of this blog anymore. Mostly I try to talk about other things that people might find interesting. I guess I'll keep my feelings about the Ted analysis to myself from now on.

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  58. I always enjoy the links and discussions on gay issues. And I know Wicked you don't have that much interest in J&A anymore, but I always like to hear what you have to say on the topic because I think your disinterest makes for a more reasoned post.

    Nobody should feel like they have to participate in a particular discussion. But neither do I think anyone should stop talking about something just because someone else, not even a regular poster, complains.

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  59. Dear Ted:
    I was watching the hotness and sweetness that is Robert Buckley on my Lipstick Jungle DVD, and I kept thinking why on earth Ted never talks about him? And I had a revelation: Maybe Ted has been talking about him for years! Is he Toothy Tile?
    —Celia

    Dear Cross Off Buckley:
    The boob tube's too small for Toothy's grin and ego. Think bigger name, bigger screen.

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  60. The Chilmark photostuff. Photog you got it. There were standard shot of the finish line, but it was the extra pictures that go him in trouble. Now you don't know if he did that on his own accord, selling them, or if someone asked if they could by the pictures.

    The thing about the Vineyard is privacy and anonymity. You may hear about people being residents there but you rarely see them in pictures, unless is it something like the local paper as a local summer resident kind of thing, not having that used in wide distribution media.

    Great job Boilerplate, makes you want to do a great big old mad lib with that. Oh how much fun would that be. But is so true. Most PR does come with standard structure press releases for anything they deal with, even for companies and products. HW does the same thing selling the coupling du jour.

    They didn't have the most recent TV Guide when I checked yesterday, I will have to go back today and see if its out up here.

    Have been reading the Philly Pap guys comments and he seems like a pretty nice guy. He was talking about Cole Hamels walking his tiny white dog through the park after a Phillies games and none of the fans there recognized him. Talked about the rat running over his shoe. And he even talked to Reese's bodyguard telling him that she should take the kids to the Please touch museum and the Franklin Institute. (I still remember walking through that giant heart at the Franklin Institute as a kid) And he has even said if he gets one picture he would leave her alone. I think she likes to toy with him, its a game, and she is getting more play out of it. He's best move would be just forget her and get pictures of the rest of cast. IT would drive her nuts.

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  61. I like that Philly pap. And good for Paul Rudd for doing the right thing.

    You just know we're going to get some pr corrective action now.

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  62. I can't believe it. People left links about Reese being a bitch on the Avon walk and CDAN's blind item reveal on Philly pap's blog. LOL. Pr is gonna be hating it. Corrective action for sure destiny, Hubble strength not over the counter cheap reading glasses type.

    Can you imagine having to work with her? Yuck.

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  63. Now if only I could get some revenge for what is my second go-around of trying to get a new air conditioner installed, while stuck at home waiting for them. I know it's hot when I'd rather be at work than waiting for work to get done in my apt.

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  64. Fyi some people on WFT think Special K is doing Atticus's twitter and blog. I don't believe it but is this true, Special?

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