Sunday, October 25, 2009

Out Spotlight CIII

Today's Out Spotlight is transgendered activist Demet Demir. Born in 1961 in Yalova, Turkey, she has been a transgendered activist since 1980 when she was jailed after the 1980 military coup of Turkey. She was jailed again in 1982, and again with torture in 1991.

Homosexuality is a crime in most Muslim nations, where penalties range from prison to death. But Turkey has no laws against it, and Istanbul, the largest city, attracts those whose sexual orientation would be considered aberrant elsewhere in the Muslim world. But to be a LGBT person in a country that is 99% Muslim is not easy.

Growing up , Demir preferred to play with girls instead of boys and around age 19 confirmed what the family suspected: "I said, 'You can send me away, but I'm not going to change.' " Although Demir's mother is a devout Muslim who has made the pilgrimage to Mecca, she accepted the news, and the two have remained close.

Like many Turkish transvestites beginning the transformation to woman, she initially wore heavy makeup and short skirts; tight-fitting pants revealing the outlines of her penis.

She worked for 15 years as a prostitute and was arrested more than 300 times, she says. She became active in the Radical Democratic Green Party, which championed sexual rights, and ran unsuccessfully for public office.

Demir established the first sexual minorities’ commission within the (Turkish) Human Rights Organization. She was responsible for printing up and distributing the first pink triangle badges in Turkey, and participated in the feminist movement and its organization, issuing a report for the first women’s congress in Turkey, and has also worked in organization fighting Aids-related illness. She took part in the successful campaigns against article 159, which prevented married women working without their husbands’ consent, and article 438, which decreases the punishment by one third in cases where the female victim is a prostitute.

In 1989, Demir traveled to Ankara as a journalist to observe a court trial. There her ID, which depicted her as a male, differed from her female appearance. She was questioned four times, tortured and beaten. Her purpose was questioned even after she presented a press card and she was told that as she was a gay she had no reason for her presence there.

She was the first trans woman and the first person considered a prisoner of conscience by Amnesty International because of “sexual orientation”. She completed her transition in 1996. Demir received International Lesbian and Gay Human Rights Commission Felipa de Souza Award in 1997. On returning to Turkey after receiving the award, she was re-arrested within hours when she tried to help a young girl who was being beaten by police officers for selling handkerchiefs to help a transgender workshop.

Now the leading voice of Turkey's transvestite and transsexual community, thought to number around 3,000, Demir says the push for acceptance has been helped by the country's bid to join the European Union. The EU has been critical of Turkey's human rights record.

Demet Demir is known for her determination and activism. She continues to maintain a leadership role in her struggle against the harassment and intimidation against the transgender community in Istanbul.

I realized that I was different when I was five or six. I felt that I liked to be close to my own kind. Yes, I had a different sexual identity. But it was not important when I was a small child. They made me feel that it's important in my age of adolescence. Rules of morality, religion, and patriarchy. And the pressure of my family and the society was added to all these. It was only me who knew about my sexuality. I had to hide my emotions and it was very difficult. I was a prisoner everywhere.

Yes, it was hard to survive in a Muslim country and patriarchal, feudal society. I thought a lot about what I was guilty for but could not find an answer. It was impossible to match my life with religion because Islam rejects all gays, lesbians and transgendered people. Islam, with all institutions is one of the most important factors that darkens life for homosexuals.

I asked myself how I could overcome all these difficulties. I had to be a well-cultured person and next step would be to put pressure on people to learn about sexual culture. Because in Turkey the problem is not only with homosexuality, the problem is the whole sexuality! First I had to deal with my family. They knew I was like a girl and did not say anything when they saw me playing with girls all the time. But they could not accept that I was a homosexual. And even when I was still male I was sexually harassed by so-called "heterosexual" men around who wanted to sleep with me. It was my sexuality which was always emphasized about me.

57 comments:

  1. Holy cow, what a spotlight. I'm a little speechless on that one. What alot Demir had to overcome. While I'm not real excited about what she was arrested 300 times for, she has done outstanding work for so many other causes. What a blessing she has been to other people in her country. And to do all of this in the Muslim faith is just unbelievable. She has a ton of courage that is for sure. Wow, what a life. I hope she is at peace inside now; she's been through so much turmoil, criminetley's.

    I guess I was a little rattled at the end of church this morning as I went and left my Bible on the chair next to me. Didn't even realize it until I got out of my car at home. How's that for being out of it? It's going to be really embarrassing to go get it back but I have to. My name's on the inside for when I was membership'd into my old church and so I just hope I can find the right person to ask if anyone found it. It's real distressing.

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  2. another m, sorry I up & left my comment like that this morning. I ran out of time to go back and add something to it.

    I was talking to another m, who kind of had that name first. If you don't mind using it, I think another m sounds great. Very kind of you to offer to alter yours.

    You know, there's yet another 'm' over in LJ. Gee, what is it about that name that everyone wants it, lol?

    I am very excited about going to work tomorrow. I made a me purchase and bought one of those glass pumpkins bowls with a "stem" lid. Then I bought some things to make an autumn mix that Molly, Lucy, & Jingles' mom had made that was really good. It has salted peanuts, candy corn, plain m & m's, & peanut m & m's. I added cheese goldfish to it but instead of goldfish, it's Target brand chicks. And the m&m's are black, green, orange & gold or yellow, I think. They are going to look so cool in that bowl, I can't wait to see what it looks like. Time to let loose a little bit for Halloween week, I think. I wish my office could let loose a little & dress up; it's so much fun.

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  3. Good catch Prairie Girl. Yes, I am a late night person more likely to post at midnight, not early in the AM. Left to my own devices I'd sleep to 10:00 am each day. But we all have to work for a living. So there is now another m. Good to know the intent was not malicious. I feel better now.

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  4. Then I bought some things to make an autumn mix that Molly, Lucy, & Jingles' mom had made that was really good. It has salted peanuts, candy corn, plain m & m's, & peanut m & m's. I added cheese goldfish to it but instead of goldfish, it's Target brand chicks.

    Is this for your desk at work, PG? For just you, or for you and your co-workers to nibble on? Because in this day and age various hands on loose candy is so incredibly disgusting not to mention germalicious. Ick.

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  5. I dont know if anyone has noticed or not but Zachary Quinto is the new Jake. Lets see if Zach has more guts than Jake and offically comes out.

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  6. Zach Quinto is also a very close friend of Sophia Bush.

    I have also heard he is set to get his series on the CW network next year, one that Mark Schwan is developing.

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  7. Zach Quinto is also a very close friend of Sophia Bush.

    That's interesting. Link, please!

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  8. I am glad Jake is spending some time with his dad. Momma seems to own that boy.

    Wow Sophia sure likes the Gay boys.

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  9. Jersey Tom... Sophia has taste, maybe she can introduce Zach to Austin, now that would be a delightful combination of strange facial quirks wouldn't it.

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  10. Jake looks really great in the newest pictures in NYC. I really like pictures of him there. The is something about the city that seems to resonate in him.

    There was a tweet yesterday that he and Peter were having dinner together, it cracked me up.

    At restaurant... Nearby to Peter Saarsgard and Jake Gyllenhall. Wife is freaking out. Tweet

    Looks like he's making the most of working just a short flight away from NYC. Kind of how Austin is a short flight up the NYC too.

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  11. Sophia has taste, maybe she can introduce Zach to Austin

    She did that!

    October 11, 2009
    Hollywood Style Awards

    On a purely platonic level, Austin was also seen talking to Zachary Quinto, who was on hand to present an award to Hayden Panettiere.

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  12. Wow Smiley. That is awesome. Not great news for Jaustin. Jake is NYC and Austin in LA. Well at least Austin is having some fun. I am sure he came to that party as Sophias date though.

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  13. Tom check the date. It happened two weeks ago!

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  14. Very interesting spotlight.it is often people living on the fringes who work to change things. They cannot or will not "pass".

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  15. Somebody pointed out on JJ that Jake got some new shoes when he and Papa G were out. Check out the Nikes and then the new brown boots that he likes. His old shoes must be in the bag.

    And look -- espresso. Can't do those with the tiny dancer. Because - the rule is - the bigger the cup the smaller the drinker. : )

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  16. When it rains, it pours on the Church of Scientology. First, spokescreature Tommy Davis publicly flamed out on his prime time interview. Now, Oscar-winning Crash director Paul Haggis' public resignation from Scientology has leaked. And it's incredibly damning to them.

    The entire letter to—of all people—creepy Church spokescreature Tommy Davis is below, but here are the highlights: Haggis has been asking the church to resign their support of Proposition 8. He registered his distaste for the church's stances on homosexuality via phone calls and letters. Davis told Haggis that "heads would roll" over this about ten months ago. Davis apparently drew up a press release he showed to Haggis, which eventually got canned. Haggis views the church's actions as "cowardly," and thus, after thirty-five years of membership, is resigning.

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  17. Spent the weekend in New Hope, Pennsylvania, looking at the leaves and staying on a b&B/sheep farm. It was a lot of fun. In one of those "it's a small world" moments we were at a bar before dinner last night, started talking to the people at the next table over, and discovered that one of them used to work with a friend of ours.

    Nice to see Jake with his dad; too bad JJ had to turn it into another promotion for Reeke/Reese. I'd love to know if that is him, or pr at work.

    Love the music today, reminds me a bit of some of those 80s bands I love so much. I'm going to have to check them out.

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  18. By the way, I keep a container on my desk with candy in it, right now it just has loose candy corns, and nobody in my office thinks anything of taking some from it. Maybe it's working and living in a place like NYC, but I have just never ever been a germapobe.

    Besides, unless you're literally washing your hands every time you touch something where you work you're inevitably going to get exposed to whatever germs are lurking around work. You know what they say are the worst places? Elevator buttons, door knobs and stair railings. I bet copy machines are just as bad.

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  19. Not only that, Destiny, but everytime you use your debit card and punch those buttons or pick up the pointer thing you hit the button with, you're touching things that 150 other people have touched that same day. And it takes more than 24 hrs for germs to die, so tack another 150 on to that.

    And your gas pumps and that pen you use to sign your credit/debit slip at the store. And your phone at work. And just being in the same room as someone else who is sick or carrying a virus. The key is to wash your hands and do not touch your eyes and nose with your hands unless it's after you've washed them.

    I don't have any problem with the people in my office and I'm sure I'll jinx myself by saying this, but until my Dad's funeral leave, I had 13 straight years of perfect attendance at my job. And before that one year when I think I missed part of a day with some kind of flu bug or something, another long round of years without using sick leave. I have been very blessed, to say the least.

    So no, I don't have any problem with it. lol. I'm aware of germs but I take my own precautions to deal with it. I'm not going to let it be a hindrance to having some fun.

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  20. And might I say that those cool colored m & m's are going to look awesome in that glass jar. I can't wait to see it tomorrow. I'm not looking forward to returning to work, though. The Big D is already setting in.

    Destiny, that sounds like a great time you had. I'm glad you had some R & R. This autumn has been the most beautiful I can ever remember seeing.

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  22. That was my deletion up there. I had a typo I didn't want. That's what I get for not Previewing. Hey, my avatar looks darn good. Check out Buckles. He's asking everyone to check out his booty. Okay, my post:

    Jake looks absolutely gorgeous in those pictures but JJ absolutely ruined it by selling Reeke. Ruined it. I believe Just Jared must be on their payroll, I swear to pete now.

    Why on earth would they have any cause to mention that ridiculous statement of Ice Maiden's in this post? It's of him and his dad. And Jake looks great. I would've even settled for a mention of the kind of shoes he bought in a shameless merchandising plug. Or they could have mentioned his filming for LAOD or upcoming Brothers movie.

    But no. Gotta plug you know what. Give me a break. See what it got you, Jake? You're her boy toy. Her hot little thing who cooks for her and supports her. You're not an actor. You're Reese's "hot, younger bf". That's it.

    Good going, Jake's handlers. You've done a great job of tilting the teeter totter so Jake is permanently sitting on the ground looking up while Reese is permanently up in the air waving her arms like a spotlight, yelling "Look at me! Look at me!!"


    Whew. Sorry for the mini rant but I mean really. That post says it all.

    Oh! I almost forgot in the midst of my rant, lol. I think I see the brown cord necklace in that third picture. Does anyone else see it? I can't enlarge the picture but I'm pretty sure I see it. Only in that one, though, not any of the others because his collar is done up pretty far.

    Rain, rain, rain!! We were going to rake leaves today but it rained all day. Had the lawn bags & everything.

    Well, it's cool to see him with his dad, anyway. He looks awesome there and the muscles in his face have a more relaxed look to them. LOL at the sample cup. Probably java. That guy is hooked on that caffeine. I bet if he were to not have coffee one day, he'd get a splitting headache.

    Alright, I'll get off. Oh!! Another funny. m, there's a comment on the Just Jared Jake post from someone named, guess? m! LOLLLL! It's going to be the most popular baby name of 2009, my vote is cast.

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  23. Nope, false alarm! False alarm. I think that's the stitching on the inside of the collar.

    Everyone have a good evening.

    I think I'll add 'm' to my blogger name, too. lol.

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  24. So here's a mystery for you there was a ONTD page for for picture of Jake and his dad out and about in NYC today.

    Here the ONTD tweet that pointed to it.

    : Jake Gyllenhaal and his father, director Stephen Gyllenhaal out and about in New York City on Sunday

    This was their link http://bit.ly/FzwrT

    The linked worked, was there was reading it had abou 45 messages and you know what majority were positive. Some thought Papa G looked hot. Then boom it's gone.

    What is more perplexing this is not the first Jake ONTD post that has gone bye bye. And it seems its the ones were they are about him on his own or with other people who are not Reese.

    It must makes me wonder - why they get yanked and who is doing the yanking. Or who is making a fuss to get them yanked.

    Before you say it ask why would Jake's own people yank something that has positive comments about their client and out with his family, that everyone has been asking for?

    Now the Reese brigade that rolls around the internet putting in those super positive Reese is great comments and she' so tiny, hey there might be a bonus in it for them to find a way to get it yanked.

    And why would Reese want that to happen? Well wouldn't you be pissed if you went up to NYC for two weekends and no pictures got released because not everyone would sign off on it?

    Just something to ponder.

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  25. PG - I do think there is a brown something around his neck, I don't think it is the inside of his collar.

    Like I said early - don't think Jake is allowed to have espressos with Reese because the bigger the cups the tinier the date. Little cups throw off the proportion. Kind of like big handbags.

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  26. Very interesting article about Haggis. I hated Crash, the it won the Oscar, and the fact Haggis was a Scientologist. But his standing up against them makes me respect him a little bit more.

    And thanks for the laugh bearded chin.

    Like the new avatar PG. And yes, the leaves this fall are incredible, I can't quite remember the colors being so deep and bright at the same time.

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  27. Interesting about ONTD. I am not a member, but from what I've heard sometimes things get locked if they get complaints about using pictures or other things they don't have the rights to. Don't know if that is accurate or not, but could be that if JJ was given or paid for an exclusive that someone complained.

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  28. All the pictures they used were from IHJ.

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  29. Odd. But still could be the issue, ONTD is a sort of gossip place, like JJ, while IHJ is a fan site. ONTD isn't the kind of place that pr would approach and have any sway over. So even if the purpose was to not have other places talking about it, still think they might have used the lack of permission to use the pictures as an excuse to get it taken down.

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  30. I'll never forgive Crash for the travesty of stealing the best picture award. And to think it was such a crap movie to boot.

    I took a little internet break today and just saw the new pictures on JJ. I am happy to see Jake spent time with his Dad. I've been reading dad's blog every day and I think he has been going through a bout of depression but is finally coming out of it. Anyway, the whole Jared thing was ruined by the rehash of the InStyle fakery. The poor guy cant catch a break. Clearly there is a conflict of interest with his PR. That would never happen if he had his own team, not the same one as Reese. Jake looks good but young. I think his boyishness keeps him from getting parts and Reeke does not help that situation at all.

    New chapter of Up in the Air for those interested.

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  31. The ONTD post is still there, locked, they don't say why, there was no trolling.

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  32. Interesting that Jake was tweeted Brooklyn with Peter but no pics, but in NY he's papped with Papa sans Peter and I would assume Maggie.

    Methinks Peter and Maggie didn't want anything to do with Papa.

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  33. "Crazy papa"??? What are you talking about?
    There is no reason to believe Maggie and Peter "don't want anything to do with Papa".

    I think Stephen and Jake are staying with Peter and Maggie when they are in NYC for private visits.

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  34. Brooklyn would be the ideal place plus the fact that their parents no longer have that loft in Greenwich Village that Jake used to stay at when he visited there before along with Maggie and Peter's place in Tribeca.

    So everyone crashes at Maggie's and Peter's place in Park Slope.

    With the exception of that one twicpic of Maggie/Peter/Jake/Reese/Mom in Brooklyn, there are no pics at all of his recent visits to Ny, except yesterday with Crazy Papa while in East NY.

    There weren't even any pics of Jake and Reese when they were in Soho/Tribeca (except for that one twicpic)

    Wonder if crazy Papa will mention it on his blog today whining about the paps ruining his day with his son.

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  35. With the exception of that one twicpic of Maggie/Peter/Jake/Reese/Mom in Brooklyn, there are no pics at all of his recent visits to Ny, except yesterday with Crazy Papa while in East NY. There weren't even any pics of Jake and Reese when they were in Soho/Tribeca (except for that one twicpic)

    So what?

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  36. I'm glad the comments on ONTD were positive. No one has to point out why they would be because it's obvious. It's great to see him with his dad. You know divorce must be very hard on a family, I can't imagine it. But one good, good thing. At least the parents are both alive and you can still see them, visit, spend holidays together, etc.

    You know, you're right, m. He does look alot younger here (like Special said, the clean shaven cut, hairstyle). Perhaps that's one tiny reason why not too much Reeke. Reese would really look more like his mom if she walked next to him now.

    sigh. Well, at least Wake Up With Al is on and I can see it again. I'm very happy to have gotten my walk in. It was starting to sprinkle on me on the back 9.

    Thanks for the heads up on Up In The Air, m. I need to get caught up on that one; the last time I read it was Ch. 1 and I enjoyed it. I miss my reading. I keep reading all my old favorites. Don't know how many times I pull out 48 Days & Book of Dreams, lol.

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  37. There is nothing wrong with Stephen and he doesn't write about Jake or Maggie on his blog / Web site.

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  38. This was posted on WFT2. Once again the Chin shows what a huge phony she is.

    From a Nashville paper:

    Harpeth Hall FFA

    Who knew that the upscale all-girls high school Harpeth Hall had a chapter of Future Farmers of America? Rex didn’t until he saw a little nugget last week from HH alum Reese Witherspoon on the InStyle.com Web site.

    Asked if she liked to cook, Silverspoon, er Witherspoon, replied, “I do. And Jake [Gyllenhall, her beau] is a great cook. He does a lot. We spend the weekends outside L.A, in Ojai, where I have a farmhouse. We have chickens, and we grow cucumbers and tomatoes. I love it. It reminds me of where I grew up in Tennessee.”

    Really? There are chickens on Woodmont Boulevard in Green Hills? At your parents’ house? Really? Rex guesses that the only chicken she saw when she lived in Nashville was Kentucky Fried or in the salad at the Belle Meade Plantation restaurant.

    Thanks for playing up the country bumpkin image of Nashville, Reese.

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  39. Jake and Papa G were seen shopping in the East Village.

    Here's a question to think about. Way back on WFT, when Chris was working at Bobbo and when the picture of him and Jake were out sitting on the stoop there were comments that Jake let Chris live at his NYC apartment since he was in LA. Well Chris' been back on MV for a bit. (Hmmm you know before Austin started on OTH - do you think that's a clue in the mystery man's story) Who is living in Jake's apartment? Think its become the weekend place and has been?

    The hotels? Well we've read before how he's was seen leaving them late and out the back. (Remember the Feb in the City trip) They're good for appearances of the story of Reeke, and good cover but you don't have to stay the night to do that. You really think he would?

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  40. Who wrote that effed-up article, Rex?

    I said, I said, son, you don't know Jack about shit.

    Growin' yer own chickens and vegetables, knowing where your fresh food comes from are good things - if anything, Kentucky Fried furthers a bumpkin image.

    Good for Reese, I say. Also, I think we should further the original WFT's policy of not talking about Jake's family members and not disrespecting them.

    Thank ya kindly.

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  41. Lying and bullshiting is good for Reese Witherspoon's public image!

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  42. The place that Chris was staying at in NY was actually a loft in G. Village that was owned by Jake's parents. I assumed Chris paid rent while he was there but not as much as a stranger would pay. That's why Jake stayed their as well.

    When Chris wasn't there he subletted the place. When he quit his job in '06 and left NY, Jake's parent's just srented it to others, I would assume it was sold.

    Jake never had his own place in NY, even when he was with Kiki, there are pics of him coming out of hotels in NY which is odd considering he was supposed to have his own place.

    Kiki eventually got a plce there but not him. On days where I guess Chris had other company like his GF, Jake had to find another place to stay, like hotels and Maggie and Peter's place in Tribeca.

    Even the apt. he stayed at briefly in L.A. which was a gift from his Grandparents, he shared with freinds to avoid paying the full carrying charges. He then moved in with Kiki.

    His place in HH is rumored to be up for sale, I don't think he stays there anymore.

    Jake is cheap just like his family, they did suppliment their income by flipping but when the econmy crashed so did they.

    He and Maggie will avoid paying for things if they have to. Why do you think Jake eats out so much? Free meals for free advertising like a lot to other celebs.

    We all no they were shopping in the E. Village. That's where he goes and to Brooklyn when he is in NY now. He has family on his mother's side that live there.

    He goes in and out of side doors at hotels because he wants to put out there that he actually owns a place in Ny but he doesn't, also I suspect that he stays at cheap hotels unless he is traveling with Ms. Witherspoon where they probably stay at posher places. Same with travelling. You will have people mention that they flew with Jake usally economy, but wth Reese and Jake you will here only them waiting at the airport.

    His family were posers in HW for the most part and they used to name drop a lot, they are washed up pretty much in HW with Mom playing live in B. sitter and crazy pop directing episodes of TV shows like he did in the beggining and making creepy videos and trying to pick up girls in supermarkets.

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  43. ^^But who cares what she does? We don't like the bearding, but that doesn't mean tear someone, and everyone associated with Jake, down totally. I'm just happy that lately we see him with other people, where he looks natural and not forced. But what do I know?

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  44. The place that Chris was staying at in NY was actually a loft in G. Village that was owned by Jake's parents. ...
    How on Earth would you know something like that? You are friend of the family?

    He goes in and out of side doors at hotels because he wants to put out there that he actually owns a place in Ny but he doesn't, also I suspect that he stays at cheap hotels
    Yeah, right, a person who earns millions per year can't afford to stay in nice hotels. LOL

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  45. But who cares what she does?

    We care about Reese Witherspoon's PR lies. Do you have a problem with that?

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  46. Love that Nashville paper story, nothing like being taken down by someone in your home town.

    At some point Mom and Pop G's divorce papers were posted somewhere on the internet, and it included a list of their assets. The only property listed was in California and MV, nothing in NY.

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  47. I didn't say he couldn't afford better class hotels, I said that he is cheap like the rest of his family.

    I knew someone who worked at Bobbo in NY when Chris was there. Jake's parent's were his "landlord". Jake used to stop by there all the time.

    When Chris quit, he was "homeless" for awhile, even though he had a family place in MV. He traveled with Jake and stayed with him from mid-year in '06 until early 2007, he house sat for Jake while he was In Morocco filming Rendition. Got a place briefly in Venice before deciding to move back to MV.

    I suspect the place he had in Venice is where Jake stays at now when he is in L.A. and prolly sublets it when not there, I don't think he owns that place in HH anymore.

    If Jake can get away with actually paying for things he will.

    His sister is notoriously cheap. When owners of restauraunts let celebs eat free at their places for PR, it's expected for them to at least pay the waiter a tip, she never does so she doesn't get that offer much anymore, at least Jake tips the waitstaff. There was that BI on Crazy days about an actress that bought an expensive hat and wore it a few times and tried to return it to get her $$$ back. Celebs do this all the time but at least they have the item cleaned, she didn't. It was geasey, had hair stuck to it and it smelled. The designer refused. The actress was Maggie.

    Most of his Nikes are free, good advertisement for the Co.

    I also suspect his handlers pushed him into buying that mansion in HH in 2006 because word was getting out that he didn't actually own a place of his own, ie Cheap. So he did and actually spent money upgrading it prolly with visions of flipping it like his parents would. He stayed there for the most part I would think but now I suspect he doesn't own that place anymore.

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  48. Wow. Who knew so much about the real real estate life of Jake Gyllenhaal. It could be an episode of Cribs.

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  49. this is a bit outside the realm of what we usually talk about, but since it's out there, i'm going to make a comment:

    just because jake has made a lot of money (by normal standards) doesn't mean he has a lot of money. POP is the first big paycheck he's gotten, i'm assuming - have no idea really, but i doubt he cleared a lot on any of the others because either: he wasn't the BIG star, or they weren't big movies, or both.

    and how much does it cost to be him? i'm sure some of his expenses are comped, but he still has to pay his handlers - the folks who are f'n up his image and his career. and if he bought a house in HH a few years ago and sold it now, after spending money on it, what are the chances that was a loss? and since his folks are broke, if he did have money he might be having to spend it on them.

    i have a feeling his finances aren't that rosy at the moment, which could be a big part of the reason he's still reeking even when it's long passed time to let it go. i think he feels like that's the money trail and he needs to make some bucks.

    jmho. s.

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  50. I think things probably aren't so rosy either Sienna. By most people's definition I think he is doing just fine, but I could see that people might not think an actor is "successful" if he doesn't own a home, and I remember at the time of the HH home there were articles about up and coming young actors bought houses in that area. Real estate is not cheap in HW, and Jake had a long dry spell of not working and or working for small budget movies. Again, I think he would have done just fine if not for probably getting caught on the HW treadmill of money as status.

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  51. Of course the only property listed was in NY and L.A. , that was the only property that was listed in their names. They had more, listed under different names no doubt.

    People do that all the time.

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  52. US law doesn't apply if you use different names?

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  53. Who is this know it all who claims to have so much knowledge about Jake's property holdings. Like we are really going to believe you.

    Good point Sienna. It takes a lot of money to get by in HW. Lots of people with a piece of the action. And the gravy train is over for everyone while the economy recovers.

    PG, you need to get caught up on Up in the Air. It's very good. And just like in Tenderfoot, the new chapter was a sex marathon.

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