But back to the guy who promise to do naked tree hugging (don't mean shirtless Julian hugging it up on the show )
A tree guide might be helpful before you get involved.
Hemlock - too suspect
Buckeye - too collegiate
Fraser Fir - too Kelsey Grammer
Oak - too much Chardonnay
Pine - too sappy
Willow - too weepy
Palo Verde - too green ?
Redwood - too big? ; )
Birch - too smooth
Money Tree - too easy
and of course
Tree Hill - too crazy
Ooops!Tonight on the Crazy Tree
" Where Not to Look for Freedom" The Real Housewife of Tree Hill is home taking care of the new baby, BikiniQuinn plays concert promoter at Tric, photographer to concert promoter (it's practically the same thing right?) BrookeDavis(TM) gets an offer (which she shouldn't refuse - JUST GO!) to head back to NY head up Clothes Over Bros, because she's BrookeDavis(TM) dammit and if she can't get a baby she'll take Manhattan. Nathan sets his sights on exposing Professor Kellerman causing the accident with BrookeDavis(TM) and Jamie. Feats of Clay spills the bean to Julians about Nathans discovery, and Julian makes an angry face.
Get Your Butt In the Saddle Today. Gas Is Too Expensive!! -AUS10
Jake and Austin are staying in the closet because they have a family.
ReplyDeleteDon't even get me started on how wrong it is to hide a child.
Every other gay artist who is or was in a relationship with a gay partner and who has a family is either out (NPH, Aiken, Ricky Martin, Elton John, Rufus Wainwright, Melissa Etheridge, Rosie O'Donnell) or living in a glass closet (Jodie Foster) or has one foot out of the glass closet (Matt Bomer).
I'm not talking about the deeply closeted people who have children with their beards, of which there are many in HW. As wrong as I think that is, at least they are trying to do right by their children by giving them a normal life. And who knows, if the couple are friends and really care for each other, the children are not likely to know the difference.
There is nothing admirable about what Jake and Austin are doing (or Jake, as I think he may be the only one with a "parent" relationship to any BT).
And Jodie and Matt may be in glass closets, but they were/are regularly seen with their children and partners.
ReplyDeleteHi, Destiny.
ReplyDeleteComing out, as you know, is a journey and an individual choice. I do not like what Jake and Austin are doing, but these other individuals you cite are not saints either. In other words, they are flawed human beings too. David Burtka, for instance, has 10 year old twins by another man named Lane Janger, who insiders indicate he rarely sees since he's been with Neil. He talks to the children on the phone and sends presents to them on their birthdays. When he and Neil were expecting, David never mentioned that he had other children. This fact only came to light when he and Neil were expecting their own twins, ironically through the same surrogancy agency. Clay Aiken denied he was gay when he was having his own son and implied he was having the child with a "platonic" female friend through in vitro fertilization. Ricky Martin had his twins for 19 months before he announced he was gay at 38, and he lied and had beards for years. Elton John came out as bisexual first, got married in 1984to a woman and stayed married about four years then finally said he was comfortable being gay only in 1992 when he was around 45 years of age. Jodie Foster had children but never acknowledged that she was raising them in a same sex relationship until 2007 when she was also 45, even though she had been living with her partner since 1992.
Jake and Austin are still young and learning. I'm not happy with their closeted choices or the lying. They do need to stop, I agree. But, that does not mean they will never reveal what's true in their hearts or in their home.
When he and Neil were expecting, David never mentioned that he had other children.
ReplyDeleteBecause he doesn't have other children. He has said himself that those children never thought of him as anything more than an "uncle" and he never played the role of father to them. I don't know why you have to try and go out of your way to try and put down other people in order to build up your Jake & Austin fantasy. If you people really believe those two are hiding a bunch of kids (which is nonsense) I can't wait to hear what excuses you'll keep coming up with if you're still following them five years from now and there are still no kids in sight.
David isn't the parent of those kids his former partner was in the process of having them on his own when he met David. David was a boyfriend to the legal dad and when they broke up he had no rights to continue to see his exboyfriends children.
ReplyDeleteNo one is trying to elevate anybody. I believe I made it quite clear that I don’t support Jake and Austin’s lying and closeted ways. Why you chose to ignore that part of my statement is something you might consider pondering. I am merely pointing out the complexity of coming out, particularly when children are involved, and situations are not always so cut and dry. Often there are no good guys or bad guys just people trying to work things out for themselves, sometimes in a clumsy and less than ideal way. Your nitpicking does not change the fact that Burtka was there when those twins were born and raised them as a father until they were 4 years old. Try to explain to a toddler who misses their Daddy that he really didn’t start the process to have you, the other guy did. Comparative frameworks are useful tools to provide perspective, which apparently is something you lack.
ReplyDeleteI think M&M's statement was thoughtful and fairly even-handed. Didn't see an attack on anyone. Where are you coming from, trolly? Jeez.
ReplyDeleteWhat’s round and cute and shiny all over?
ReplyDeleteJake Gyllenhaal‘s head!
Your nitpicking does not change the fact that Burtka was there when those twins were born and raised them as a father until they were 4 years old. Try to explain to a toddler who misses their Daddy that he really didn’t start the process to have you, the other guy did. Comparative frameworks are useful tools to provide perspective, which apparently is something you lack.
ReplyDeleteGive me a freaking break. Now you're an expert on David Burtka and his past relationships. You know nothing. He did not raise them as a father - if you knew anything at all about the situation you would know this. The children never considered him a father so no one had to explain anything to the toddlers you pretend you know something about. You can't stop your know-it-all attitude even when you know nothing. Geez, why can't you just admit you're wrong about something for once.
David was living with his boyfriend when the kids are born. From the beginning the kids would see him as a parental figure because they are living as a family unit 24/7. It would have been different if he was just dating him but he was living with him.
ReplyDeleteStop arguing about David Burtka and his former partners kids. No one knows the sutuation first hand. Maybe it is the children's father whose does not want David to see the kids out of anger. No one knows the situation
ReplyDeleteAustin had more to work with tonight on OTH and got to show a little more range. Having more scenes without Sophia than with makes a difference and it let;s him get out of that box OTH keeps Julian in.
ReplyDeleteIt appears CW announced the renewal of a bunch of shows, but OTH is still on the fence. That is even more embarrassing. Announcing you are willing to stay on the same day they give the nod to everyone else but not you.
ReplyDeleteOur resident troll sure seems to know a lot about Burtka. Another sign that he is on the payroll.
Thanks for the info Special. I guess I will make time to watch tonight's OTH episode during the coming week if Austin had a little more to do. If they do not get renewed, we will see a lot less of him.
M, MethodicalMuser knows a lot about Burtka as well. On the payroll too?
ReplyDeleteStop arguing about David Burtka and his former partners kids. No one knows the sutuation first hand. Maybe it is the children's father whose does not want David to see the kids out of anger. No one knows the situation
ReplyDeleteNow, that's precious, Tom. You can beat up on Jake and Austin all day long, act like you know what's going on in their lives, and therefore can judge them as harshly as you want because...why? Do you know them? No. Do you live with them? No. Do you understand why they do the things they do? No. You are just guessing too. That's it. These guys have feelings too, you know. Someone points out that lots of gay so-called icons maybe have a tarnish to them as well and you go after them. What a hypocrite!
Interesting that everyone is jumping all over the Burtka comment (which really is just based on fact), but ignore all the other examples that were given. Wonder why? Is Burtka off limits or something? He did cut ties with those kids and went and had another family with someone else. That's on the record. When he was going to have twins with Harris is when this all came out. If Jake had acted as a parental figure the first four years of two children's lives, and then walked away and didn't fight to keep them in his life in some meaningful capacity, you'd be all over him. I am amazed at the hatred that comes out of some people around here when it comes to Jake and Austin. But other's get a pass. Is there some kind of gay litmus test?
ReplyDeleteSorry and FYI beat me to what I would have said about Burka; everything I have read indicates he didn't have father relationship with him. And I've known about his kids since he started dating NPH, I remember reading things on sites like DL, and I think even NPH made a reference in an interview to it long before they had their own kids.
ReplyDeleteIrregardless of the situation, the real point of it all is that none of the people I mentioned ever hid their children. Not Clay, not Ricky, not Bomer, not Jody.
I agree it is up to people to come out on their own terms and own time (although I believe there are exceptions).
But partners and lovers are adults and can freely make a decision to remain hidden, and they understand, at least on some level, what they are doing.
Children do not.
I still stand by my belief that it is wrong to hide your own child, no matter the circumstance.
I also still stand by my belief that it is wrong for Jake to carry on all the time about what a wonderful niece he has, and goes out everywhere with her, and wears t-shirts on national television with her name on it, all while quite possibly hiding his own child.
The reason I don't fault Burkha is that his prior boyfriend had already made the decision to have children before they became involved. . From everything I have read it was a "I'm having children" situation, not a "we're having children" situation, and I have never had the impression that they were ever really a family.
ReplyDeleteThat is very different than two men, like Jake and Austin supposedly did, setting out to have a child together, or NPH and Burkha.
Or maybe he isn't hiding anything at all.
ReplyDeleteI don't disagree with your point when it comes to the children, Destiny. Just pointing out that there are many other examples of less than desirable behavior from those who waited years to come out. Jake recognizing Ramona and publicly ignoring offspring that he more than likely brought into this world is wrong. You will get no argument from me on that point.
ReplyDeleteAnd, by the way, I don't "find fault" with the examples I gave up above. I'm sure all of these individuals had personal reasons for their actions or inactions. Just pointing out that Austin and Jake do too.
ReplyDeleteI understand your points to M and M, I just tend to get worked up when it comes to kids and being in the closet.
ReplyDeleteIn today's edition of it's a small world....I was searching around on DL for information on Burtka and his prior boyfriend.
NPH's pr guy is Simon Halls (Bomer's hubby), he apparently went with him after disagreeing with his previous publicist about coming out (the one who made that stupid comment about NPH not being "of that persuasion"). Someone was also insisting that Burtka had a brief relationship with Halls between his old boyfriend, Lange, and NPH. Most on DL were not buying it, partly because the timelines given didn't match up with when NPH says he and Burtka got together, and because NPH has said he started dating Burtka right after he left Lange, but who knows....
Someone also pointed out on DL that the surrogate article that features Simon Halls also includes Lange, Burtka's ex with the twins.
Our resident troll sure seems to know a lot about Burtka. Another sign that he is on the payroll.
ReplyDeleteAnother pearl of wisdom from the village idiot.
hypocrite anyone? said...
ReplyDeleteStop arguing about David Burtka and his former partners kids. No one knows the sutuation first hand. Maybe it is the children's father whose does not want David to see the kids out of anger. No one knows the situation
Now, that's precious, Tom. You can beat up on Jake and Austin all day long, act like you know what's going on in their lives, and therefore can judge them as harshly as you want because...why? Do you know them? No. Do you live with them? No. Do you understand why they do the things they do? No. You are just guessing too. That's it. These guys have feelings too, you know. Someone points out that lots of gay so-called icons maybe have a tarnish to them as well and you go after them. What a hypocrite!
When is the last time I dicussed anything about Jake and Austin. I have no clue what is going on and really don't care that much. I still believe 100% that Jake is gay.
Another sign that he is on the payroll.
ReplyDeleteLOL. What payroll? This is both funny and pathetic and more than a little delusional. You guys are a laughingstock and you actually think someone is taking you seriously.
It appears CW announced the renewal of a bunch of shows, but OTH is still on the fence. That is even more embarrassing. Announcing you are willing to stay on the same day they give the nod to everyone else but not you.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about this last night.
It might be that the announcement of everyone signing their contract (all announced at the same time)was timed with the renewal press release for a reason. So the network could gauge the reaction of the fans and the public to the possibility of a Season 9 and use it in making their final decision.
You guys are a laughingstock and you actually think someone is taking you seriously.
ReplyDeleteEvidently you take this blog incredibly seriously or you wouldn't be snarking and lurking around here day and night. I know if I came across a bunch of so-called "loons" as you like to call people here, I wouldn't waste my time at that blog, never mind constantly interjecting smart aleck attacks on posters. Oh, yes. You take this blog very seriously. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.
Forgot to say yesterday that I love all the different trees you found for the post Special. I especially like the willow.
ReplyDeleteEvidently you take this blog incredibly seriously or you wouldn't be snarking and lurking around here day and night.
ReplyDeleteYou know how people like to slow down and stare at a particularly gnarly car crash? Yeah that. Same thing.
Evidently you take this blog incredibly seriously or you wouldn't be snarking and lurking around here day and night. I know if I came across a bunch of so-called "loons" as you like to call people here, I wouldn't waste my time at that blog, never mind constantly interjecting smart aleck attacks on posters. Oh, yes. You take this blog very seriously. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.
ReplyDeleteYeah, keep thinking that! And keep thinking that Jake's PR is monitoring your site and making all their secret moves accordingly. Hey, the disclaimer on this very blog says "for entertainment purposes" - so why is it so hard to believe y'all are entertaining? Honestly, you're funnier than almost anything on TV :) And, btw, exactly how long do you think J&A can hide that supposed bunch of kids? 3 more years? 10 more years? Face it, eventually you're going to have to eat some crow.
Funny how the troll calls us loons and whatever but hangs on every word we say, not to mention he's here 24/7. I think he is obsessed with us, not Jake.
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