Looking good does not come cheap. Just asking our coordinating bike riders. But are they telling more not by what they're wearing, but how they are wearing it?
First things first and channeling a red carpet reporter - "Who are you wearing?"
Rapha is the answer. (with Jake a little bit of Livestrong on the bottom)
Jake has been mentioned in the several articles about being a fan of Rapha line of cycle wear in write ups up about the fashion meets function line. And it looks like Jake is making a Austin a fan of them too.
Rapha is a small London company with ambitions to restore taste to cycling clothes. Rapha was started by Simon Mottram, a former brand consultant who advised luxury companies like Burberry and Davidoff. He started in 2004, holding a Tour de France viewing party for cyclists on Brick Lane in London and unveiled a few jerseys. Since then, Rapha has reached "a worshipful cult-level status among riders despite minimal advertising, selective distribution" and prices that would make some jaws drop for clothes for a bike ride.
Their signature Sportwool Jersey (the one's Jake and Austin are wearing) costs $195 is about three to four times the price of a plain spandex top and a pair of their bib riding shorts is $205. Their most popular item is their $25 merino socks. Their jerseys come in the more classic basic black or white, with some having understated accents, the colors of the Belgian flag, a dash of Giro d’Italia pink at the zipper, or a hidden label describing a classic bike climb.
Rapha's cycling gear is only sold in 8 shops in the U.S. (Austin, New York City, Central Valley NY, Greenwich Connecticut, Palo Alto CA, Portland Oregon, Boulder, Colorado, Mill Valley California) or online.
But here's what 's really interesting where the two riders and Rapha come in. The description on the web site for the signature Sportwool Jersey is: Lock down, fully lined zips. 3 Large cargo pockets. Pump pocket. Zipped, waterproof valuables pocket. Bite Grip. Side panels for race fit. Gripper at hem. Comes with brush-lined, breathable arm warmers with contrast piping.
- Colours:
- Black (with white arm warmers), White (with black armwarmers)
Jake wearing the Sportswool jersey the Rapha way.- See that's what jumped out. It looks like a little mix and matching might have been happening on bike riding day.
They texted each other the night before about wearing their matching jerseys and how they could switch arm warmers?
OMG! lets!
Met up to go riding and took one look at each other and said let's switch arm warmers?
I can't believe we showed up in the same stuff. But both we can't be black and white and black, it'll look like we called each other.
Thought it looked better black on black and white on white when they were getting dressed at the house?
Hey those are my arm warmers.
I like the same colored ones with the jersey
What am I supposed to wear?
Come on you know. Mine. Look in the drawer where I got these.
And I heard that. They're not going to be too long.
Rapha
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Dear Ted:
To follow up on the question Kroszelle posted on the April 2 Bitch-Back: Toothy Tile will be outed around the time he is no longer bankable, much the same way Winona Ryder was with her shoplifting habit?
—Xasinz
Dear Odd Analogy:
Toothy doesn't think he's going anywhere, anytime soon. Especially with that beard that keeps him so relevant.
Dear Ted:
Are you going to be pushing the Twyla Babe Sucker B.V. for the next two or three years, or are we going to find some real answers soon? I mean, the Toothy thing has been going on for, what, six years? We are talking about Twilight now after all.
—Kris
Dear Ask Them:
That's entirely up to Twyla and her beau. They will for sure come out long before Toothy ever does, so relax.AT
Another new release, "The Informers" came in at #19, landing just $300,000 in ticket sales. The film, based on the Bret Easton Ellis novel, opened in limited release.Quick see it before the numbers of screens it's own shrinks away to a handful. I don't think The Informers is going to be in theaters too long.
But that might mean it will show up in DVD faster so they can get recoup some of their losses.
Still wonder if it will be one of the those cult classics despite or or because of its critical infamy.
AG, the thing that makes straight people care about our issues is when they actually know one of us. And that takes coming out. That's why the push for coming out is so strong. Gays become part of "we" and not part of "them."I'm sorry Wicked, but I find that statement really hurtful and very divisive. Like straight people can't possibly care about someone gay unless they know someone that is gay.
I have cared about gay issues long before I started posting on WFT/OMG and before I knew any gay man or woman personally.
Empathy or whatever you want to call it doesn't always require you to be personally effected or even have someone close to you be affected by the issue.
You can care for and support something simply because you feel it's the right thing to do, not just because you get something out of it - regardless of whether you gain directly or through a friend.
And I agree with AG that the homophobes will be the same kind of assholes they are now even if every single gay person comes out. As a matter of fact they hate the ones that are out even more, because they feel like they're "pushing it in their faces".
I'm in no way saying that people should have to stay in the closet, but I think that people are building this kind of fairy tale story where everything will be rainbows and unicorns if only all actors came out.
Great post Special, you can't help but think they did that on purpose and were hoping for someone to pick it up. And we can always count on you for that ;)
I totally agree with Tom and Wicked on the issue of being out, but a full post on that will have to wait.
Okay, Ted has me smiling today. Shoplifting--Reese and her shoe habit, and Winona--in The Informers with Austin.
Today's song is really great. I listened to it several times.
Thanks for posting these pics again. That smile on Jake's face is priceless. Joyful. I made it the wallpaper on one of my computers as soon as it came out the first time.
Maggie Gyllenhaal and Peter Sarsgaard, the parents of 2½-year-old Ramona, are finally getting married in Italy during the second weekend in May
NY Post
***Wicked, but I find that statement really hurtful and very divisive. Like straight people can't possibly care about someone gay unless they know someone that is gay.***
My statement does not apply to every straight person, but it does apply to quite a few. I have met many, many straight people who do not care about gay rights because it doesn't affect them. I've also met white people who don't care about rights for minorities, men who don't care about rights for women, rich people who don't care about rights for poor people, etc., for the same reason- it doesn't affect them.
***Empathy or whatever you want to call it doesn't always require you to be personally effected or even have someone close to you be affected by the issue.***
That's great that you are the kind of person who can feel this way, Stubborn, but it is my belief that too many people are not. Too many people want to live their lives, associate only with people who are like them, and not care or bother with anyone else. Maybe I just have a terrible view of humanity, but this is how I feel based on my experience.
Today's song is really great. I listened to it several times.From the Red Hot compilation.
Empathy or whatever you want to call it doesn't always require you to be personally effected or even have someone close to you be affected by the issue.
You can care for and support something simply because you feel it's the right thing to do, not just because you get something out of it - regardless of whether you gain directly or through a friend.****
I so agree with this statement. But, I also think that for some, getting to know and meeting people of other races, religions, sexual orientation, real people, helps to show that we are not so different after all, and have more in common than we do differences, and to consider someone else's experience. I haven't got the greatest view of humanity at times either, Wicked. :)
(((Tom))), I felt terrible about the 11-year old boy who committed suicide because of bullying. A child that young shouldn't have to bear a burden like that, not that anyone should, but for one so young it is especially sad. Schools and communities need to get more involved and to have a place for someone who feels overwhelmed like this to go to be heard.
My statement does not apply to every straight person, but it does apply to quite a few. I have met many, many straight people who do not care about gay rights because it doesn't affect them. I've also met white people who don't care about rights for minorities, men who don't care about rights for women, rich people who don't care about rights for poor people, etc., for the same reason- it doesn't affect them. But saying that the straight people don't care about gay issues because it doesn't affect them, white people don't care about issues of minority groups because it doesn't affect them and so on creates an atmosphere of them vs us.
It just going to make people get stubborn and not care about others peoples rights just out of spite.
A lot of people are going to figure "why should I help them, they've already decided what kind of person I am anyway based on my sexuality, my race, my gender, ...".
***But saying that the straight people don't care about gay issues because it doesn't affect them, white people don't care about issues of minority groups because it doesn't affect them and so on creates an atmosphere of them vs us.***
I think this is the atmosphere we're in.
***It just going to make people get stubborn and not care about others peoples rights just out of spite.
A lot of people are going to figure "why should I help them, they've already decided what kind of person I am anyway based on my sexuality, my race, my gender, ...".***
Again, I believe this is the world we live in, Stubborn. I never said it was ideal, but I think it's reality. Maybe you think the world is nicer than this, but I do not. I think most people need to be able to get to know and understand other people before they will care about them. Some people don't need this, and feel empathy because it's the right thing to do. But I think too many people lack the ability to care about people they can't relate to.
Maggie Gyllenhaal and Peter Sarsgaard, the parents of 2½-year-old Ramona, are finally getting married in Italy during the second weekend in MayAnd who will Jake bring as his date?
I agree with Wicked.
People already decide what kind of person you are based on your gender, sexuality, race, etc. For me issues like this come down to having the right to be different, and I think that is often lost in all of the "we're just like you and want to get married just like you" argument. I think diversity is a good thing, but I think most people don't feel that way. The problem is not in say, being identified as gay and therefore more likely to like Broadway musicals, it's being identified as gay, more likely to like Broadway musicals, and therefor not entitled to have the same rights as the majority/people in power.
And I think if someone turns on you out of spite like that then they probably were never really invested in supporting your rights to begin with; human rights are not something to be shut off because you're mad that someone expressed the belief someone can't really know what it is like to be in your shoes.
And personally I don't think anyone can ever really know what it is like to be someone who is of a different race, gender or sexual orientation. If they did we wouldn't have so much racism, sexism and homophobia in the world.
Again, I believe this is the world we live in, Stubborn. I never said it was ideal, but I think it's reality. Maybe you think the world is nicer than this, but I do not. I think most people need to be able to get to know and understand other people before they will care about them. Some people don't need this, and feel empathy because it's the right thing to do. But I think too many people lack the ability to care about people they can't relate to.Unfortunately we probably do live in that world. But still it doesn't help to further push people away.
If someone came up to you and said that he thinks that while not all gay people are selfish, in his experience many are and then asked you to help him with something, what is more likely?
That you would say "oh yeah, I'd love to spend my time and possibly money to help you out" or just "naw, i got other things to do, sorry".
All I'm saying is that many factors play into all of this and unfortunately many people have this group mentality and when you say something negative about the group they feel they belong to they will react in exactly the same way and not not only think negatively of you but also the group that they perceive you to be a part of.
And now I need to go puke because I just noticed that Legally Blonde 2 is on tv ;)
AG, the thing that makes straight people care about our issues is when they actually know one of us. And that takes coming out. That's why the push for coming out is so strong. Gays become part of "we" and not part of "them."xx
I don't understand why that is hurtful. I think Wicked was just expressing the fact that the more people come out, the more things change. Knowing someone gay does make a difference.
I'll give you an example from my own experience. My 85-year-old mother was conservative enough on social issues when I was a kid that she wouldn't let my sister (then divorced and a mother herself)and her boyfriend, who had been living together for a year or more, to share the same bedroom in our house when she came to visit (my sister is quite a bit older than me).
This Christmas when I visited my mom she told me how she got into a big argument with several women in one of her women's groups over gay marriage. My being out to my family means my mom has an interest in seeing gay marriage happen, and it means she's willing to argue with other people about it to boot, and make them re-think the issue.
My mother has changed a lot because of me and my siblings, and she now realizes that all of those social norms that she grew up believing had to be followed--like not living together before marriage--are wrong. She changed because of the people around her, and wanting to see her children be happy.
I will never understand how people can say it doesn't matter if gay people don't come out. Every single person who comes out makes a difference, small or large.
***All I'm saying is that many factors play into all of this and unfortunately many people have this group mentality and when you say something negative about the group they feel they belong to they will react in exactly the same way and not not only think negatively of you but also the group that they perceive you to be a part of.***
And all I'm saying is that people naturally care more about groups they are part of, rather than groups they're not. IMO, it's human nature and we all do it. Gay people need to come out so people understand that while we may not be part of the straight group, we may be part of another group that they belong to, such as hockey fans, doctors, or Swiss cheese afficianados.
I think the problem is that gay people can choose to pass as straight, something that other minority groups cannot do. This can result in invisibility for gay people. That's why coming out, especially when public figures do it, is huge.
I am natural empathic, and was also raised to be accepting of all peoples. Even before meeting or knowing a particular race, creed, or orientation. I believe all equal because all come from God. It is the greater equalizer in my life. Everyone on the same plane.
I think a big changes have happened since Stonewall and it seems more change is coming more and more at an exponential pace. What took 20 years now is seems to change in less 10. When you look at the 80's or even the 90's you to now you see that something have even change quicker than that. I wonder what it will be like by 3rd generation post Stonewall.
That's not too say that there isn't room for improvement for everyone. There is. There is always need for change. It is dynamic and it has to continue to grow.
People in their twenties are the second generation post Stonewall. There has been leaps since 1968. And that makes a big difference.
And we are many different ages here.
Also think that cultural differences as well. While there are differences in attitudes in just the US (urban vs. small town, East vs. West), it is even greater between different countries. I think we Americans tend to forget we are more Puritanical than many European countries which has distinct differences in viewpoints on sex and sexuality than Americans. And sadly I think we are more enthocentric and don't always remember things are different in other places.
Latin America, the Middle East and Asia have different cultural issues with acceptance and attitudes. There is larger need for change and growth there, but that's not to say it is not happening there.
OMG is diverse and worldwide and I think we bring a lot of viewpoints into this discussion from all different ages, cultures, and upbringings, and yes orientations -straight, gay, bi, in and out. This is what makes us unique.
There is a lot things that get brought to table here, it is having all those be able to come together and exchange those thoughts and viewpoints that is what is going to bring change.
I think sometimes making assumptions about other (gay/straight)from both sides can be hurtful for both groups. Those who are gay are hurt by the stereotypes that some of society places on them, I think those who are straight can be hurt because they are told they just told they don't understand, when they are already accepting of people, but they are being lumped in with the collective straight stereotype.
But I hope that here we can a individuals bringing each of our uniqueness together to share.
Just my thoughts, that's it. Some things you might agree with and some you might not. You might not agree with anything I said, and that's cool too.
Sorry this is so long.
Something funny. Out shopping with my sister in law, who driving home we heard some 80's song, said "Oh there is is movie, that sounds like it has a good soundtrack, its called the The Informers. Your brother and I are going to go see it. Have you heard about it?"
All I said was yeah, I read a little bit about it. ; )
I think those who are straight can be hurt because they are told they just told they don't understand, when they are already accepting of people, but they are being lumped in with the collective straight stereotype.Straight people need to understand that they can only understand gay people to a certain point. Destiny is right, we really can't fully understand what it's like to be a different race, gender, sexual orientation, class, etc. As a gay person, I get tired of straights who think they totally get the gay experience, but don't. And that includes the really cool straight people. I have NEVER met a straight person who totally understands what it's like to be gay. But I have met plenty of straights who think they totally understand.
I don't claim to understand what it's like to be gay.
I guess I just want a much of the benefit of the doubt that I am trying to understand.
The launching of the Armaggedon of the marriage battle in this country
Back to Maggie and Peter for sec. Yhink it is sweet they are getting married on Mother's Day.(well for us in the U.S. it is ) I am sure that Miss Ramona will be the best little flower girl.
Spesh, thanks for a funny post and this beautiful song (I never tire of Antony).
Do-Me Meter: Gyllenspoon 2.0 Recent pics of Kristen Stewart and her whatever-boyfriend, Michael Arangano, surfaced over the weekend, and they are simply presh!
Calling Reese Witherspoon and Jake Gyllenhaal, you've got competition. K and M look way more like brother and sister in the PDA show than some steamy couple. The whole jumping on the back scenario looks super best bud-like, no?
For a girl who is notoriously private, these pics seem more like some staged photo shoot than a romantic day out on the town.
If Michael and Kristen were supposedly the ones in a forbidden romance they would freaking hide it better than this! The photo sesh looks more like Kristen is playing nice for the suits, pushing that faithful, good-girlfriend persona execs need their PG fans to buy.
Anyone else think something's off here?
The Awful Truth /
Kirsten Stewart and bf -piggyback ride photo op
piggyback rides = trying too hard. Way too hard.
The piggy back is the classic go to.
Man there has to be a manual they hand out to PR.
more piggyback rides bearding photo ops
Zac and Vanessa /
Justin Timberlake and Jessica Biel
More piggyback ride bearding photo ops
Jen Aniston and Vince Vaughn /
Heidi and Spencer
From "LA Time"
"Under pressure to slash costs after suffering a $93.4-million net loss in its last quarter, Lions Gate said it planned to cut about $100 million out of its annual production budget and more than $100 million out of its marketing expenses. The Santa Monica-based studio also is facing a possible proxy fight from investor Carl Icahn, who has been unhappy with Lions Gate management and its decision to buy the TV Guide channel and website.
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The first Relativity title to be released under the new deal is "Brothers," about the rivalry and redemption of two brothers in love with the same woman, starring Tobey Maguire, Jake Gyllenhaal and Natalie Portman and directed by Jim Sheridan. The film will come out this fall, followed by the supernatural thriller "Season of the Witch," starring Nicolas Cage and Ron Perlman, and the action-comedy "The Spy Next Door," with Jackie Chan."
I would never have the audacity to claim either that I totally know what it's like to be of another race, religion, sexual orientation, or be able to understand exactly what another's experiences are - all I am saying is that I can try, and I can certainly acknowledge, support and encourage their right to be who they are, regardless of our differences, because when it comes right down to it, we are all human. We have a long way to go, but huge changes have been made. We've all been discriminated against on some level, be it being of another race, being a woman, being of a different religion, socio-economic class, age, it goes on and on. We all know the history of the terrible things human beings can do to each other. So we can all relate on some level. I agree that being invisible is not a good thing.
Wicked, you care a lot for your pets but how much do you care or go out of the way for kids which clearly you don't like much, to the extent you felt sorry for a pedophile? Start from yourself girl maybe you can find some answer.
when i was elleven years old, a guy in my class liked to tease me everyday the whole year through. everyday he would call me nasty things and kick me in the leg. every day!
He got people with him. they started teasing me too, even though they didn`t kick me. That guy used to be a friend of mine.
suddenly, after knowing him since we were three, he started, even though i was the only girl he had been friends with.
He really ruined my world back then. I rememeber i wished i was normal, because i didn`t feel normal. normal kids wasn`t used to this everyday. i wish i was a person they ignored.
my best friend in my class was bullied by him too. my best friend and i always supported eachother and tried to get eahothers attention away from the guy who teased us. My best friend was insecure and so was i. Luckely, i always had good friends at home. they never dissappeared, even though they knew.
My best friend, who supported me, is gay. he`s a great guy! always has been.
A couple of years after the bullying, the bullier and i got closer. there were still some people who did that to me, and i will NEVER forget how bad that felt. Made me feel like a second-class sitizent.the bullier then stood up for me, and we got even closer.
We became friends, and i love him today. He`s a great person and he`s gay.
I can never fully understand what it`s like to be gay, but i do know how it feels to be different.
A person with a big heart, like stubborn,and many else cares about people and don`t like them to being treated differently.
Gay is one thing, race is another, but there are so much more that make people feel that way.
Parents, i feel, is often too blame. That`s my experience.
From Ted's twitter:
question: Now convinced that @theawfultruth & @laineygossip are tag team -Robki & Robsten- to help each other get hits. Smart idea actually.,...
Ted:@fakerstephanier I don't tag with anybody...and @fakerstephanier if I was going to tag, it'd be with #toothytile not #lainey
question: @theawfultruth but I don't understand, would she really be going through ALL this trouble to hide her relationship with Rob?
Ted: stranger things have happened @sveta85 celebs have whole sexual preference changes for good press!
I can never fully understand what it`s like to be gay, but i do know how it feels to be different.Well said, NG! :)
Not sure I understand the significance of that article about cutting costs. Does that mean the studio will not be spending much on the marketing of Brothers? Like trailers, tv spots, promo etc. Not sure they were going to do that anyway if they did not think they have a marketable film given the nature of the films subject matter.
my point is: some of my important youth-years was ruind by a guy that happened to be gay.
gay`s can do exact damage as straights.
And vice versa...my experience is that gay people sometimes bullies too. they are no better than the straight ones.
They might have an excuse for their sexuality, but the bullied ones might have their ones too.
I don`t like that people are being bullied because of their sexuality, but i also don`t like people being bullied for anything else.
everyone who has been bullied, feel different and usually don`t fit in.
not everyone who have been bullied have an organization for them.
it`s just so sad kids and adults today tease other people to make themselfs feel better, nomatter point of sexuality or anything else that makes a different from what`s people`s "normal" point of view
Not sure I understand the significance of that article about cutting costs. Does that mean the studio will not be spending much on the marketing of Brothers? Like trailers, tv spots, promo etc. Not sure they were going to do that anyway if they did not think they have a marketable film given the nature of the films subject matter.
M - Wonder if that's the reason Brother didn't go to Cannes. They want to focus the campaign when it opens in December and for their Oscar campaign.
***Wicked, you care a lot for your pets but how much do you care or go out of the way for kids which clearly you don't like much, to the extent you felt sorry for a pedophile? Start from yourself girl maybe you can find some answer.***
I am not suited for work with children. I will leave that to those who are.
And yes, I am able to feel compassion for those who have committed unspeakable acts- pedophiles, murderers, and rapists. I don't think those acts are not despicable nor do I think the people who commit them should not be punished. I am a social worker who works with mentally ill offenders as part of my job, and often I get to know them in a way that allows to see that they are still human, despite what they've done.
"I think the problem is that gay people can choose to pass as straight, something that other minority groups cannot do. This can result in invisibility for gay people. That's why coming out, especially when public figures do it, is huge."
Best point of todays dicussion
Pictures from Iowa courtesy of the Boston Globe
Congratulations to all of those who got married today.
This is kind of a weird example, and it's not about discrimination at all, but about awareness.
My mom retired a few years ago and has gotten busy in some community work in her free time. One of her issues is litter. The reason my mom cares about litter is very specific. My parents own some property out in the country, bordered on one side by a gravel road. Folks have made an illegal dump site on that road and dump all kinds of junk there: bagged garbage, tvs, sofas, tires, gas tanks, dead animals, live animals - you name, it's been there.
Because of this atrocity being perpetuated on My Parents' property, my mother has gotten involved in the county's anti-litter group. She writes articles for the paper once a month and helped organize and lead a garbage pick-up team in her community last Saturday. Great American Clean-up Day. Several of the folks who participated were there because of my mom and the work she's done making them aware of the problem of litter.
Litter was all around them all along, but until she pointed at it and said, "This is bad and we need to clean it up!" they all just ignored it, as if it was just a part of life that couldn't be helped or changed and so had to be tolerated. Once my mom got them to realize that something could be done, they were all for it.
So while i agree that any ONE person coming out won't change the views of everyone, it might change the views of 15 people, and then they might change the views of a few more people, etc. And eventually, if enough folks expand their minds enough to see that being gay does not equal being bad or wrong or f'd up, then things will just naturally change.
I have a question. I know that a lot of you are knowledgable about religious issues. I have lots of issues with religious issues but i'm trying to find a way to understand things and make peace with what I feel and what i want to believe.
My question is: Why does the Bible condemn homosexuality as a sin?
***My question is: Why does the Bible condemn homosexuality as a sin?***
Sienna, my partner is just finishing her first year at seminary as the only out gay person there. I'm going to ask her to answer your question. You will probably have to wait until tomorrow night for your answer because she is in class tonight.
Wicked... that would be awesome. I would really like to be able to understand that.
There are a lot of rules and shalls and shall nots in the Bible that i can make sense of from a practical nature, but this is one that I just can't. The only thing i can come up with is the need to populate the earth, which gay relationships don't do. Possibly, since having children was the only type of insurance back in those days, that was a factor. Also, the only real purpose of gay sex is pleasure, since - again - no babies get made. In those days, sexual pleasure was not a priority - making babies was. Many religions frown heavily on masturbation, which makes NO sense.
Just pondering... i look forward to what she has to say. :)
And before anyone yells at me, i hope that didn't sound bad for me to say that the only purpose for gay sex is pleasure. I should've included the expression of love as well. I was just thinking of my issue of having kids vs not having kids and not much beyond that.
My bad. Open mouth, insert foot! Sorry.
One of my favorite love stories in the Bible is the story of Jonathan and David, and while there will be those who say that is was not romantic love, I will never believe that. Check it out in 1 Samuel.
I was hoping that the pics from today were new when new when I first saw them. Maybe we will get some more soon. That would be sweet.
I stand corrected- Mrs says there are 2 or 3 other out gay people in the seminary.
i actually find it amazing that gay folks are willing to overlook the very harsh and critical stance the Bible takes on their lifestyle and forge ahead into seminary. i think it's good and admirable that they do, but its definitely a bit like marching into the lions den, in my opinion. of course, some churches and schools are more forward-thinking, i'm sure. i live in the south, and we still have a long way to go in modernizing our beliefs.
NG, I think we're all agreed here that bullying is wrong, whatever it's source. Tom just mentioned those examples because they're ones being discussed on gay sites. Also, these are kids who are being taunted for supposedly being gay! And the fact that your bully was gay, well, bullying does come out of insecurity, and a need to prove you're not like the people that everyone else around you is saying is inferior. And kids, especially boys, who are perceived as less than masculine and/or gay often come in for the worst abuse.
Before we turn to religion (I'm looking forward to that, I have things to say on that as well), I have one last point I wanted to make that I didn't have time to post about earlier.
For better and/or for worse, kids look to actors, athletes and musicians to emulate, for role models and to see what is cool and acceptable. And adults look to culture for their cues as how to treat people as well. Now obviously there are exceptions to this, people who are not affected one way or the other by such things. But it's wrong to underestimate how important it is.
So the fact that there are very few out people in those fields is a huge problem. And as long as everyone in HW and in professional sports is willing to sit at the back of the bus, nothing is going to change.
Now, I can sympathize with not having the courage to come out.. But people like Jake who beard are doing the equivalent of putting on whiteface. And the fact that he is doing it to get rid of the gay rumors, worse still. Then pile on the fact that Jake is one of just a handful of people who have bearding as heavily as he has.
Bottom line, every time Jake is seen with Reese, Reeke gets a story in a tabloid, etc. Jake is telling people that yes, he agrees that being gay is a bad thing, he agrees that people shouldn't have to go see a faggot in a movie, and that they don't have to worry about that because he's straight straight straight.
I agree that if Jake is gay or bi, and if his relationship with Reese is all just a cover-up to cancel out the gay rumors - and yes, i still believe this to be the case - then he is basically kicking his own lifestyle in the face. I can sympathize, up to a point, with him gearing his life in such a way as to maximize his career, but i think he was doing a much better job of that before Reeke. IMO, he's taken a huge step back in likeability by doing this.
Tom, I think what you said above is what is fundamentally wrong with the gay community. They're spending too much time worrying about which famous person is gay/closeted and not enough time fighting the actual laws. xx
One other thing I meant to address was this particular comment of yours AG. I don't know why you assume this is only thing the gay community is spending time on. Most of us who care about these issues support all kinds of gay organizations with our money and time. We vote for candidates we think will support us when it comes to changing laws and call up or write our local officials and let them know where we stand. We turn out for rallies.
Just because the No on Prop. 8 people were incompetent and didn't reach out for help until it was too late doesn't mean that no one was willing to work for the cause and that all everyone has been doing is talking about HW actors.
Kids look to sports for role models too, but there are even less athletes that have come out when they are competing. Its not just limited to HW.
I think if you look at any career where success is determined by society's esteem, you'll see only a small handful of people rocking the boat in any way.
Politics, HW, Sports all come to mind, but i'm sure there are other professions as well. Artists, photographers, writers and other creative folks have more leaway than actors because they aren't the main attraction, their product is.
I think when you're a public figure like Jake, and you actively take a position, in this case bearding, as opposed to just staying in the closet and keeping his life private, then you're not just kicking yourself, you're kicking other gay people as well.
I agree Special, and I included athletes in my list.
Actors are no different than any other artist, they and the powers that be just tell everyone that is why they can't come out. But look at NPH, a womanizer on How I Met Your Mother, and the ratings are as high as they've ever been. Look at the Broadway production of Hair, one of the hottest tickets in town right now, the actor who plays one of the two male leads is openly gay. Why should film be any different than tv and theater?
Sorry, I deleted a double post.
Gavin Creel plays Claude in Hair--I have a slight crush on him. He is SOO cute and so talented. If I were a gay guy, I'd stalk him.
I think film is different from TV and theater because of the money and the audience.
How many folks go see a theater production vs how many go see a movie? How much money does it cost to stage a show vs to make a movie?
How many folks watch NPH's tv show? What type of folks? Is it targeted to women or tweens or a specific group? Maybe a group that doesn't care as much if he's gay?
I just think that HW believes that a male actor is taking a giant risk of alienating a huge portion of his potential viewing public if he comes out. Is he really? I don't know. If George Clooney - who i kinda suspect is gay - were to come out, would the average 40 year old guy want to go see him?
I don't know - honestly, i have no idea how folks really feel anymore, i just know how we THINK they feel, and that seems to be driving things at the moment - perceptions.
I think when you're a public figure like Jake, and you actively take a position, in this case bearding, as opposed to just staying in the closet and keeping his life private, then you're not just kicking yourself, you're kicking other gay people as well.
^^ Destiny you really need to check yourself, really. Has Jake made any statement saying that he is gay? Has there been compromising photos of Jake performing a gay act with a man? Do you have in your posession any photos or any given evidence that Jake is Gay?
If not, you really sound very unhinged to state his sexuality as you see it as FACT. Then to make bold statements as your last one.
Somehow I don't think you or JerseyTom understand this and you both have taken your wants or needs of Jake to be gay to the Extremes.
I could say that Jake likes licking toes just because to me, he seems likes he does.
What a stretch.
Although I do agree with your opionion about coming out, taking a stand and be counted, it's still his choice and we should NOT, MAKE celebritys or athletes our role models.
He is not a public servant such as a politician. He is human, an artist, but human and most artis have there agendas and own life. There job is to entertain and they don't have to make social statements if they (don't) want to. And besides, if your only evidence that Jake is gay is because of a rumor. Well, we all have our opinions and speculatitons about the rumors of most stars. It does not make it true. Most people realize this!
Although I do agree with your opionion about coming out, taking a stand and being counted, it's still his choice and we should NOT, MAKE celebritys or athletes our role models.
It starts at home!
It costs tens of millions of dollars to produce a Broadway musical, a big risk for something that often has to run for a year or more to make back its money. And tickets for orchestra seats are $120 each.
At the end of the day, most films are a gamble, especially the big expensive ones like PoP. Would PoP sell fewer tickets with a gay actor? Possibly, given teenage boys, the prime target for a movie like this. But most films wouldn't be hurt, particularly adult and indie films, which is mostly what Jake has done. And if enough actors came out, people would have to chose between going to films, or staying home if they don't like it. HW used to be the same way with black actors--they wouldn't cast them in leading roles, or let them do certain things in films, for fear of losing Southern audiences. So if you're going to to on just the dollars, then it wasn't wrong of HW to treat black actors that way either, and nobody should have put pressure on them to change.
And for the record, I am not saying that Jake is not gay.
Have you ever thought that Jake could be bisexual? If I recall, I think you consider yourself as bisexual.
Jake, "I can't go a week without pictures of me with Reese in US" isn't a public figure? Ha ha ha.....And last time I checked, everyone is human, not just artists.
And yes, I do know for a fact that Jake is gay. Straight men don't need beards.
And for the millionth time, if you're going to have an argument with me, at least quote me correctly. I have never ever said Jake should come out, I've always said it would be better if he did. What I have said is that it is absolutely wrong for him to beard. Two completely different things, but I know you know that. But since it doesn't fit your agenda, you're going to misquote me.
Please don't lump me in with the mentality that accepts discrimination. I don't believe i implied that i agreed with the mentality, i'm just saying that i think it IS a motivation for HW actors to stay in the closet, and that - because of their extreme popularity - their private life is a bigger factor in their overall popularity.
for instance: off the top of my head, i can not name one Broadway actor. i don't watch tv, but i do know of a few people who are on tv - jared and jensen (cute!), gale harold, the law and order folks, and joe flannigan and robert hewlett of SGA (a fandom with awesome stories!)
anyway, when i read People or US (ugh) i very rarely see articles about the TV peeps. i guess there are some, but since i don't watch tv, i don't recognize them. but i'd love to see some pics of J2 or the sga guys, and i never do. i see Mariska Hargitay sometimes.
so, unless i were to go digging harder, i wouldn't know much about the tv peeps. most of the tv shows money comes from advertising anyway, not from direct ticket sales. i know that viewer rating affects ad sales, but there is some buffer room. a movie will absolutely fall flat immediately if no one goes to see it.
anyway, my point is that if i'm a HW producer looking to book an actor that will guarantee my film's chances of success, am i going to call the gay guy or the straight guy?
vs:
if i cast a gay guy in a role on my tv show and he gets negative feedback, i can always kill him off and the show will go on.
again, for the record - i'm not saying it's right. i don't think a lot of things that go on in this world are right, but that doesn't mean that i can't at least understand the thinking behind them.
Yes, I am bisexual, but you know what? I have never personally known any man who claimed to be bisexual in my many years of life, living here in the Big Apple, home of the metrosexual. My male friends, gay and straight, think there is no such thing as a truly bisexual man, only gay men who are afraid to admit who they are. I'm sure you've been over at wft2 recently, someone linked to a Michael Musto piece on that very topic. And Dan Savage claims that bisexual men are pretty much non-existent, while women are as fluid as water. Now I don't agree totally with him about men, and I'm sure they exist, but they are rare. That means the odds that Jake is bisexual are pretty small.
I am not lumping you in Siena, just arguing my viewpoint. Sadly you are right about how a lot of people involved in films think, which is why I repeatedly say I can understand why Jake doesn't come out. But it doesn't excuse the bearding. It also doesn't excuse the filmmakers and bigwigs who continue to do business that way. It's as wrong to cater to homophobes as it is to cater to racists. But nothing is going to change until someone has the balls to do something about it, and my point is that in 2009 the same old tired excuses from HW don't fly anymore.
^^ Sorry Destiny we will have to agree to disagree. Your statement here is still apart of the problem of men who date, are interested in and marry women who have an interest in same sex acts to stay in the closet because it's said that only women can be bisexual. How absurd is this???
Now monogamy is another story and has nothing to do with human sexuality.
You are a part of the whole problem as I see it. You are that narrow to think that only womens sexuality can be fluid.
I know of men who will probably never come out as bi and say ( I like both sexes ) because they will be labeled as gay and the fight begens that they are lying, they can't like both sexes. It's because of people like you and some gays (men and women) who totally feel that only women can be bi, men are straight or gay that's all. Yes, there are prejudices in the gay community as well. I know this.
I will repeat, the closet is still full of men who are interested in both sexes, and bi men coming out helps the the whole cause also, but..
I know you and JersyTom can't and won't see this. Is there and agenda?
One last thing. I do know that there are gay men bearding and gay men in the closet. My point is that there are some men who are truly bisexual, and they get lumped into the "they are gay and lying" scenerio also.
Wasn't Austin charactor and Peter S. charactor suppose to be bisexual in their recent movies?
They exist Destiny, regardless of what some Gay man says or his experiences were.
I guess you can't read Lurker, because once again you got it wrong. I said I didn't agree with all those men who said there is no such thing as a bisexual man, I said I thought it was pretty rare. And a recent scientific study of men and women's reactions to sex scenes in films and pictures came to the same conclusion, saying that women are so fluid that they even react to animals having sex.
And by bisexual I mean someone who is capable of real attractions, sexual and emotional, to both sexes. Not someone who is curious, is drunk and wants to get off with whomever they can find at the moment, or someone who stays married to a someone of the opposite sex rather than admit he or she is gay.
being bisexual I've read a ton on the subject over the years, I do know what I am talking about on this one. And I am aware that bisexuals often find more acceptance in the gay community than the straight. But the closet is not full of men who are interested in both sexes. It is full of self-loathing gay men who tell themselves they are bisexual. Just like all those men arrested in recent sweeps in Oklahoma of gay pickup spots, you can read all about that on towleroad.
"That means the odds that Jake is bisexual are pretty small."
I think he loved kiki sincerely.
Jake and Kiki seemed 100% more real than Reeke.
I don't know about the likelihood of bisexuality in men, so i won't get involved in that part of the discussion, but....
if we know of at least ONE bisexual guy, then the possibility exists for there to be more, and there is no reason Jake couldn't be one of those more. his life - what we see of it, anyway - actually makes that seem likely. he was with a girl and seemed to be in love with her, then he was with no girl and usually seen with lots of guys - and now he's back to being with a girl, no guy in sight. i agree with the majority here who think Reeke is fake, but i did believe what we saw with Kirsten was real, so IF he has boyfriends too, that makes BI a possibility.
however, i think it's also a possibility that kirsten was an annomally. maybe he was still in discovery mode and hadn't made up his mind yet when he got involved with her. or maybe she was his valiant effort to go straight, and it worked for a while - he was able to hang in with her and be happy - but when things fell apart, he decided to give up on girls. Until now, when his career isn't going so hot, and he feels like a girl will boost his image.
I dunno. It's a mysery.
Destiny, you know shit about men sexuality, clearly. Just like majority of other topics you like to talk about as if you knew anything about it.
here is an interesting article that backs up what Destiny is saying about bisexuality in men.
do bisexual men exist?
Wow, some real name calling tonight. Personally, I've known a fair number of gay men, many of whom had sex with women or were even married with families for a time period. None of them remained married and none of them ever called themselves or thought of themselves as bisexual. They were just getting by when things were complicated. I do believe bisexuals exist, but I agree they are very rare.
As to Jake, he's gay all the way to me. He looks absolutely miserable in his current situation and has since day 1 of Reeke. That carries a lot of weight. Note to PR, a round of pics showing Jake smiling next week wont change my opinion at this stage, so don't bother.
Just popped by IHJ and there are pics of Jake departing LAX. I guess we'll find out where he is going soon enough.
IHJ is asking for donations. Don't know what to make of that.
I ordered Red Hot Compilation today. Thanks again for today's song selection.
Lurker, you have so many names but always the same view point. Kinda reminds me of 'The Borg'!
Btw, do you have evidence that Jake is Bi?
i worked with a guy who we all suspected was gay for a long time and who finally told me that he was bisexual. however, to be honest, in retrospect, i don't believe that. i think that was just his way of testing the waters with his coworkers. however, i have no proof of that, but later on, when he talked about dating, it was only guys he mentioned.
Thanks Sienna for finding the article, that was one of the studies I remember reading about, and it expresses some of the ideas I was trying to get across.
I also agree with you that his relationship with Kiki was probably real, in part because there seemed to be genuine affection between them. I think any of the possible scenarios you gave could be the reason for why he was with her. As to why I think he hasn't been with women since, I think that he fell in love with Austin, and and in doing so discovered that he really is gay.
I see I'm not the only one in the U.S. up at this hour--I have a terrible case of insomnia, and I know I'm going to pay for it tomorrow at work.
I do think people sometimes use bisexuality to test the waters with other people.
Wow, I think that's a totally offensive article about bisexuality (not that fact that Sienna posted it).
The writer clearly has his own little (gay monosexual) axe to grind. I think the worst quote is this:
"Our goal should be to free this last group from the identity prison of bisexuality, not to build higher walls around them in the service of political correctness. We may not like that the world is divided into sheep and goats, but that’s preferable to pretending we live in a world of mythical unicorns."
Anyway - hello to all as well. ;)
"If we know of at least ONE bisexual guy, then the possibility exists for there to be more, and there is no reason Jake couldn't be one of those more."
There is a lot of gossip about Jake cheating Kiki with men.
Hey Daff! Good to see you.
Looks like they are still working away on PoP in post.
http://twitter.com/TheJamesPorter/statuses/1637680782Guy's a VFX artist. (Visual effects)
And hey Daff! What's up?
UK ELLE's June cover star Reese Witherspoon opens up
'He's fabulous. He really is a fantastic guy', she reveals to ELLE's Rachel Combe.
UK Elle
The writer clearly has his own little (gay monosexual) axe to grind.Well said, Daff.
Funny how straight individuals have to know a gay person to feel compassionate - yet, women can claim to know all about male bisexuality by reading tons of articles!
"Everyone always says they're bisexual, blabbing on and on about how 'sexuality is fluid, and I don't really like labels' – but usually I find these are just gay men who are afraid to come out. I know there are real bisexuals out there – mainly because I've heard that there are – and I do think it's a lovely idea to actually crave sex with people regardless of gender. I'm just wondering how real a phenomenon this is, as opposed to a smoke-and-mirrors coverup designed to keep antsy gays in the closet."
—Village Voice columnist Michael Musto asking pertinent questions [VV]
Gay man's experience
Also from the UK Elle website:
She also sets the record straight on the uptight, 'Type A' personality she's been labelled.
'The Type A thing is a big misunderstanding', says Reese Witherspoon. 'It's funny to me that I have been portrayed as a closed-off, uptight person. I'm very open.' 'Type A is my blood type' which she insists, that's as far as any similarities go.Uh, really? Oo-k
If “bisexual” means anybody who has any degree of arousal, however small, to both sexes, then surely there are a large number of bisexuals.The only valid point I could come up with in the article. I too have a problem with the study - too small of a group. If there are other studies, the author doesn't back up his statements with the data. The article was written in 2005, so perhaps there is more updated information out there. To me, having sex with women because of a "fetish" would even be a lower percentage, but I can't be sure. Whatever the "reason" is, they are still having sex with women. Seems to me this person has an agenda to push. Comparing it with the gay parents study, again, nothing to back up that statement and sexuality and parenting are two different things.
I can't believe that women and men are that different. If women are more fluid in their attractions and sexual behaviour, then that flies in the face of everything we've been brainwashed with over the years, that men are the more sexual beings. A lot of what I have read is that men may appear not to be as fluid because of social conditioning.
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