Sunday, June 6, 2010

Out Spotlight

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Today's Out Spotlight is not the hero's tale you expect, it is about heroic actions, struggles and ethical questions.

Today's Out Spotlight is Billy Sipple. His story is long forgotten, but he performed a heroic act and saved a life. Just ask Gerald Ford.

Oliver "Billy" W. Sipple ) was a decorated US Marine and Vietnam War veteran widely known for saving the life of US President Gerald Ford during an assassination attempt in San Francisco on September 22, 1975. The subsequent public revelation that Sipple was gay turned the news story into a "cause célèbre" for gay activists.

Sipple was born in Detroit, Michigan November 20, 1941. He served in the United States Marine Corps and saw action with a tour in Vietnam. His wounds suffered in December 1968 caused him to finish out his tour of duty in a Philadelphia veterans hospital, from which he was released in March 1970. He later spent six months in San Francisco's VA hospital, and was in and out of the hospital from 1970 to 1975, the year he saved the President's life.

Listed as being totally disabled on psychological grounds, (which now would be referred to as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) he was unable to hold a job and received disability pay. He shared a fourth-floor walk-up apartment located in San Francisco's Mission District lived with a roommate who served as merchant seaman. Sipple was active in local causes and politics, including the campaign of Harvey Milk, an openly gay candidate for San Francisco city supervisor.

On September 22, 1975, Sipple was part of a crowd of about 3,000 people who had gathered outside San Francisco's St. Francis Hotel to see President Ford as exited the hotel.

As President Ford emerged, he noticed the woman standing next to him raising a .38-caliber pistol at the President. Instinctively, Sipple lunged at the woman, just as she was squeezing the trigger, deflecting her aim as she fired the pistol. The bullet missed the President by five feet striking local cab driver, John Ludwig who survived. Police arrested the woman, Sara Jane Moore, who received a life sentence for the assassination attempt. Moore, part of the group of followers of Charles Manson one of two made attempts on Ford's life.

The police and the Secret Service immediately commended Sipple for his action at the scene. President Ford thanked him with a letter, and the news media portrayed Sipple as a hero.

Though he was known to be gay among members of the gay community, and had even participated in Gay Pride events, his sexual orientation was a secret from his family. He asked the press to keep his sexuality off the record, making it clear that neither his mother nor his employer had knowledge of his orientation; however, his request was not complied with.

The national spotlight was on him immediately, and Harvey Milk responded. While discussing whether the truth about Sipple's sexuality should be disclosed, Milk told a friend: "It's too good an opportunity. For once we can show that gays do heroic things, not just all that ca-ca about molesting children and hanging out in bathrooms." Milk contacted The San Francisco Chronicle.

Several days later legendary Chronicle columnist Herb Caen wrote about Sipple, including his sexual orientation. Several newspapers across the country picked up the story, and the news reached his Michigan-based family, who were unaware of Sipple's orientation. He was besieged by reporters, as was his family. His mother, a staunch Baptist in Detroit, disowned him and cut off all contact for a number of years.He was disowned by his family, with even his own mother refusing to talk to him. When she died in 1979, his ``father made it clear that he was not welcome. He could go to the funeral home or the cemetery, but not when his father was there,'' the Los Angeles Times reported. Sipple, an intensely private man, was devastated.

Sipple filed a $15 million invasion of privacy suit against Caen, seven named newspapers, and a number of unnamed publishers, for publishing the disclosures. The Superior Court in San Francisco dismissed the suit, and Sipple continued his legal battle until May 1984, when a state court of appeals held that Sipple had indeed become news, and that his sexual orientation was part of the story.

Despite the story of not being able to attend his mother's funeral, according to a 2006 article in The Washington Post, although there was a period of estrangement with his parents, the family later reconciled with his sexual orientation. Sipple's brother, George, told the newspaper, "[Our parents] accepted it. That was all. They didn't like it, but they still accepted. He was welcomed. Only thing was: Don't bring a lot of your friend.

He held no ill will toward Milk, and remained in contact with him. But the incident brought him so much attention that, later in life, while drinking, he would express regret towards grabbing Moore's gun.

Sipple's mental and physical health sharply declined over the years. Unable to deal with the stress of life post-Vietnam and publicity of after saving Ford's life, he drank heavily.Became paranoid and suicidal. He gained weight to tip 300 lb (140 kg), was fitted with a pacemaker. On February 2, 1989, he was found dead in his bed, at the age of forty-seven.

His $334 per month apartment near San Francisco's Tenderloin District was found with many newspaper clippings of his actions on the fateful September afternoon in 1975. His most prized possession was the framed letter from the White House.

Sipple's funeral was attended by 30 people, and he was buried in Golden Gate National Cemetery in San Bruno, California.

A letter addressed to the friends of Oliver Sipple was on display for a short period after his death at one of his favorite hangouts, the New Belle Saloon from President Gerald Ford.

"Mrs. Ford and I express our deepest sympathy in this time of sorrow involving your friend's passing..." He also added "I strongly regretted the problems that developed for him following this incident."

At the time of the incident President Ford's letter of thanks to Sipple, no commendation or trip to the White House. Milk suggested that Sipple's sexual orientation was the reason he received only a note, rather than the invitation. In a 2001 interview, Ford disputed the claim that Sipple was treated differently because of his sexual orientation, saying, "As far as I was concerned, I had done the right thing and the matter was ended. I didn't learn until sometime later — I can't remember when — he was gay. I don't know where anyone got the crazy idea I was prejudiced and wanted to exclude gays."

According to his brother, "There were a lot of times he wished he had never saved the President's life, for all the anguish it caused him."

Sipple's is a sad story, and it is often used as a case study on the "ethics of outing" in journalism school.

The Sipple incident has been referred to, in passing, in a major motion picture and in a prime-time television program. Several law review articles and more than a dozen books and commentary pieces have also discussed the ethical dimensions of the case.

"My sexual orientation has nothing at all to do with saving the President's life, just as the color of my eyes or my race has nothing to do with what happened in front of the St. Francis Hotel." - Oliver "Billy" Sipple







132 comments:

M and M said...

He had spandex on and spandex has no pockets.

Okay. I don't remember even commenting on this issue at the time because I think the photo cropping and Jake's reactions are far more significant than the "key" discussion, but when I went back to look at the picture again, I have to say that Austin's shorts might very well not be spandex. Spandex shorts are suppose to be compression shorts and there seems to be a whole lot of extra material on Austin's left leg than would usually be found in that kind of tight fitting fabric. Not a big deal, but just thought I would point out another perspective:

And, you are incorrect on another point, PG. You are not a doofus. *grin*

32 Shorts

no pockets said...

Mobile, keys and other stuff

M and M said...

Could be.

that's what I think said...

what the keys show to me is that Austin lives in his own house.

Yes, I pointed that out two days ago at WFT2. Someone got very upset when I did and tried to mock the very sound logic of it. He didn't pull his keys out from anywhere, he's simply carrying them along with his other stuff. Good for you for being honest and admitting this.

destiny said...

I don't think carrying his own keys automatically means he doesn't live with Jake. I never ever go out of the house without my keys, even when I'm with my girlfriend and I know she's carrying keys too. I feel naked without them. Just the way I am. And when we visit my family, and borrow the car, we each take a set of car keys, in case one gets accidently locked in the car or lost.

M and M said...

Oh, is that the point that's trying to be made? I was wondering why the keys in hand scenario was so important to some. Sure, people who live together carry their own set of car and house keys, garage door opener, etc. The fact that Austin has a "separate" set of keys doesn't mean he can't live in the same house as Jake. People have different schedules, use the same family cars/motorbikes, and develop habits that cause them to pull out their keys when approaching their vehicle, even if the other person you live with is doing the driving. Heck, I even sometimes open the doors for everyone with my keyless system, even though I'm just going to be the passenger that day.

Austin is carrying his mobile because he just got off the phone talking wth someone. Not necessarily that he doesn't have pockets. (Remember the photo with Jake staring at the camera as he leans into the door threshold.) Either Austin made an outgoing call, or someone called him.

different people, different habits said...

Sure, people who live together carry their own set of car and house keys, garage door opener, etc.

Some do, some don't. No need for that when people are going out together and coming home together.

not exactly said...

Oh, is that the point that's trying to be made? I was wondering why the keys in hand scenario was so important to some.

no, the "keys in the hand" scenario was first brought up here to try and show that Austin has his own set of keys to Jake's car because supposedly Austin got his own keys out and opened the passenger side door of Jake's car before Jake did. That was why it was important to "some." But whoever thought that up clearly wasn't familiar with remote door openers and didn't take into account that Jake obviously used the remote in his hand to open the doors.

M and M said...

Actually, I have to agree with Destiny on this one. I know lots of folks who automatically take their keys whereever they go. One reason is that everyone usually has at least 2-3 keys on their personl key ring that their partner doesn't need/have (e.g. work or business-related access). Therefore, I take my keys everywhere I go. Doesn't matter if my partner is driving or not. No exception. I know many others who do the same. Both my partner and I have keyless remotes on our key chains for both cars. We even had them synced so the remotes can be used on either vehicle. So either Austin or Jake could have opened the doors, if that were the case.

maybe so said...

So either Austin or Jake could have opened the doors, if that were the case.

Maybe so, but that wasn't the original "argument." Originally, it was stated that since Austin got to the car before Jake, he had to have opened the car door with his own set of keys. That's simply not true and the notion that Austin having keys in his hand is 'proof' that he has keys to Jake's car doesn't hold water no matter which way you turn it. You can speculate as much as you want that he also had a remote, etc., but that doesn't support the original point.

equally possible said...

So either Austin or Jake could have opened the doors, if that were the case.

Or Austin's keys have nothing to do with Jake's car or Jake's house.

M and M said...

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone has the ability to definitively state absolutely either way. There's no proof of anything, including your hypothesis. And, don't forget, this blog is all about speculation and sharing different perspectives. If posters couldn't speculate there would be no WFT2 or OMG and we would all have to go mow our lawns or run those errands we've been putting off all week right now, instead of talking about the delicate distinctions involved with keyless remote entry to vehicles. LOL.

really said...

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone has the ability to definitively state absolutely either way.

*dances happy dance*

destiny said...

I still think Austin used his set of keys/remote to get in the car. But let's just say for argument's sake that he was carrying his keys because he was going to his own car/house.

He's carrying keys, a phone, and a bottle of water.

Where is his wallet? If he's driving he's going to need his drivers' license, and who goes out of the money without money or a credit card when you're driving on your own.

M and M said...

Good morning, really. Don't know why you're doing the happy dance, because I think most of the folks who think there is strong evidence that J&A are still together would agree with that statement. The issue, as you know is not different perspectives, but some posters "badgering" and interrogating others for their beliefs or perspectives. Sharing differences of opinions is part of the fun.

Btw: You've got me watching Ricky Martin videos again and I'm enjoying them thoroughly. Thanks for the reminder of how sexy he is.

home keys said...

Old friend Jake Gyllenhaal dropped Austin home, I'm sure he's nice like that.

M and M said...

Where is his wallet? If he's driving he's going to need his drivers' license, and who goes out of the money without money or a credit card when you're driving on your own.

An excellent point. Jake's probably gonna dump SB off at her place (hope he stops the car) and take Austin back home for a nice romantic lunch. I'm sure they both worked up a hardy appetite with all that sweatin' and stretchin'. I like the imagery.

destiny said...

They'll have to hit the showers first M and M after that sweaty workout.

M and M said...

Good point! Lunch may have to turn into dinner in that case. ;-)

home keys said...

Jake's probably gonna dump SB off at her place (hope he stops the car) and take Austin back home for a nice romantic lunch.

Austin wouldn't need any keys for that scenario.

picked-up at home said...

Where is his wallet? If he's driving he's going to need his drivers' license, and who goes out of the money without money or a credit card when you're driving on your own.

You don't need your license or wallet if you got picked up at your home and are getting dropped off at your home.

lurker said...


*dances happy dance*


Do you think you're a dog whisperer here to "train" people to not think of J&A as a couple, and then handing out praise and treats when you like something we say?

That's almost more offensive than all your badgering.

lurker said...

They paying you overtime to sit here and swat down every single fucking thing anyone says about J&A that is even remotely gay?

M and M said...

You don't need your license or wallet if you got picked up at your home and are getting dropped off at your home.

He would if he automatically pulled them out from habit and used them to open the passenger side of the vehicle. Remember, Jake is the one who seemed to want linger outside so the pap could get as many pictures of him as possible. Probably, was part of the deal/arrangement. Like not publishing any photo with Austin in the front seat...NEXT to Jake.

M and M said...

Or, cropping the photo in a way that made it seem like SB and Austin got into a separate vehicle from Jake.

M and M said...

Sorry, I posted the wrong comment to the license/wallet response. No one knows where Jake picked up Austin or Sophia.

destiny said...

Interesting question in today's Spotlight.

Things were very different in 1975 than they are today when it comes to the consequences of outing someone.

Also, what he did has ZERO to do with his sexuality. His personal life doesn't matter, although in those stories people always seem to write about a hero's personal life to some degree.

It's very different from outing someone whose actions are hurting the gay community. I know I am way in the minority on this one, but I think truly public figures--actors and athletes as well as politicians--who beard and actively sell heterosexuality, i.e., using their phony relationships to get them publicity and create a certain image--hurt the gay community and the fight for gay rights, and deserve to be outed.

But Joe Blow on the street who comes to the rescue of someone, that's wrong. He didn't ask to become a public figure.

destiny said...

I think Jake "picked up" Austin at home. No one is going to change my mind on that. Not going to change my beliefs to get a "treat" from a troll.

paparazzi said...

Like not publishing any photo with Austin in the front seat...NEXT to Jake.

We have photos of Austin NEXT to Jake. Jake and Austin sitting in the car isn't newsworthy.

really? said...

Not going to change my beliefs to get a "treat" from a troll.

Sorry Destiny, some people don't agree with your opinion but that doesn't make them trolls.

really said...

Don't know why you're doing the happy dance

That's because you didn't get my point, most likely because I didn't make it clear enough. I didn't interrogate others for their beliefs or perspectives, I interrogated others for their questionable arguments and ignoring common sense and facts.

Because, as Prairiegirl said it, all I ever want to know is the truth, no matter what it is.

destiny said...

No it doesn't, and I would never call M and M, Special, PG, Tom, Seaweed, M, etc. trolls.

But someone who sits on a site 24/7 to badger regular posters and behave the way you do is trollish behavior, and if the shoe fits, Cinderalla.....

M and M said...

Jake and Austin sitting in the car isn't newsworthy.

Completely, disagree. If it wasn't any big deal, then why don't we have a frontal shot of Austin setting next to Jake. Believe me, paps notoriously want the money shot of who is sitting next to a celebrity, particularly someone like Jake and Austin who have had rumors swirling around them for many, many years.

really? said...

Destiny, I got it, you hate when people dare to question your opinion. It is so much easier to claim 'trollish behavior' than answer tricky questions.

paparazzi said...

Believe me, paps notoriously want the money shot of who is sitting next to a celebrity, particularly someone like Jake and Austin

Believe me, no one cares - check out which sites and blogs cared to post and comment Jake and Austin photos.

M and M said...

I think Jake "picked up" Austin at home. No one is going to change my mind on that.

IA. The prospect is highly probable. That's why Austin did not arrive in a separate vehicle with Sophia. Jake knew he had control over this publicity stunt so he saw no need to even go through the charade of having Austin arrive in another vehicle. He knew the pap arrangement would not result in photos of them leaving in the same car.

M and M said...

Believe me, no one cares -

Sites and blogs love to see who is in the front seat of a celebrity's vehicle, even when no one can recognize who that person is. Like that Crazy Heart shot of Jake with the mystery man sitting next to him. Oh, people care. Speculation swirled for days trying to figure out who that young man was.

paparazzi said...

Photos of them leaving in the same car woudn't change anything, we got what they wanted us to see - Jake hanging out with Austin and his "girlfriend".

M and M said...

That's right. Jake got wanted he wanted people to see. He's still with Austin and SB is a backdrop to the real relationship in his life.

destiny said...

I have never in my years of posting here seen such a fuss made by people who are not regulars--and appear to be trolls-over something they claim is just "Jake hanging out with Austin and his girlfriend." No matter what we say to put a whole in that Jake/pr-approved image, you are here to shout "no, this is the what it means, and you're all wrong".

Clearly Jake being seen with Austin has shaken your world.

paparazzi said...

'Sites and blogs love to see who is in the front seat of a celebrity's vehicle' - I was saying than no one cared about new Jake, Austin and Sophia pics.

'Crazy Heart shot of Jake with the mystery man sitting next to him' - ALL pictures are of Jake with the mystery man sitting next to him in the car, no other pictures.

'Speculation swirled for days trying to figure out who that young man was' - Yes, people are interested in Jake's possibly new boyfriend.

destiny said...

Absolutely M and M. And they count on people to not poke holes or point out that the emperor has no clothes when we can very well see he is naked.

M and M said...

That's definitely what's going on here, Destiny. These folks are here 24/7. It's pretty clear there is alot of nervousness over Jake's "coming out" with Austin.

paparazzi said...

Jake got wanted he wanted people to see. He's still with Austin and SB is a backdrop to the real relationship in his life.

Or Jake and Austin are only friends, and this was a bit of PR support for Austin and Sophia's showmance. Or ...

M and M said...

Looks like it's time to drive them really batty:


Jake and Austin sitting in a tree:

K-I-S-S-I-N-G

First comes love,

then comes marriage,

then comes the baby in a golden carriage!

really? said...

No matter what we say to put a whole in that Jake/pr-approved image, you are here to shout "no, this is the what it means, and you're all wrong".

Destiny, are you affraid of people discussing things? People shouldn't question your opinion?

fools said...

Why is the key discussion so important? I'm more interested in why Jake was out two nights in a row at a concert, his new BFF Marcus Mumford, his hanging at Teddy's after the second gig and hanging at Chateau Marmont for hours yesterday, all without hubby and child.

ok said...

his hanging at Teddy's after the second gig and hanging at Chateau Marmont for hours yesterday

Links plase!

uh? said...

Never did I see so much fuss being made over a pair pf friend coming out of a gym i the attempt to make that proof they are a couple, LOL!

t said...

swang: After Film Festival, Dances w/ Films. Ended up at Chateau Marmont where Jake Gyllenhaal apparently waved at my sister.
about 16 hours ago

claudiaciuffo: lunch@chateau marmont. life is awesome! Jake hyllayal
about 20 hours ago

itsmemarya: Just saw Jake Gyllenhaal's immaculate face at Teddy's.
1 day ago

WehoDaily: @AJTWEETS jake was at Teddy's? or at the warhol thing?
1 day ago

vanity fair said...

Someone also tweeeted she was following Jake in Texas. That means he was there!

ok said...

Link please!

Jerry Pritikin said...

The story of family rejection, by
Oliver Sipple's family was played OUT Often in San Francisco... When AIDS made it's mark known in the early 1980s. Many young gay men were disowned by their families, who were ashamed their son's were gay.There were many brave families who stood with their gay relatives, however there were far too many who shunned them, when they needed all the help they could get. I've seen families fight to get their disowned son's businesses, or property, and not allow their son's lover, his rightful share.
Guy Corry, who hosted the first (10) All-Gay Photographer Exhibit in May of 1977, aimed at Anita Bryant. It was reviewed by the S.F. Chronicle's Art Editor, and I was one of 3 mentioned photographers by name. Both Crawford Barton, and host Guy Corry died from AIDS, Barton's estate was left to the S.F. Gay Historical Society. However, Guy Corry Parents destroyed all of his negatives.They felt he brought shame to his family for having AIDS. I must add... that For Pride Month here in Chicago at Roosevelt University's Gage Gallery. My photo exhibit "San Francisco in the 1970s" just opened for Pride Month... with 40
images from that era, including Harvey Milk, Mayor Moscone and a changing neighborhood called the CASTRO!WHAT MAKES ME PROUD, IS THAT THE MISSION STATEMENT AT GAGE GALLERY IS "SOCIAL JUSTICE"!
http://www.roosevelt.edu/gagegallery

M and M said...

OMG post:

tweet said...
I'm driving behind Jake Gyllenhaal. :) about 3 hours ago via UberTwitter
MeganTrueLove
Arlington TX
May 28, 2010 10:39 PM

ok said...

Thanks M and M! I remember that some OMG posters believed that tweet and Jake visiting Austin, TX.

Anyway, we have two tweets per location (2:16 PM post) so it looks like Jake was there.

motorcycle helmet said...

yayponies: RT @shananaomi: farmer's market catch of the day/month/year: jake gyllenhaal, buff and scruffy, holding motorcycle helmet, intensely swoon-worthy.
4 minutes ago

uh said...

"Sites and blogs love to see who is in the front seat of a celebrity's vehicle, even when no one can recognize who that person is. Like that Crazy Heart shot of Jake with the mystery man sitting next to him. Oh, people care. Speculation swirled for days trying to figure out who that young man was."

I think only desesperate jobless people spend their time trying to figure out who was sitting next jake...

Generally, nobody care

Jersey Tom said...

really said...
Don't know why you're doing the happy dance

That's because you didn't get my point, most likely because I didn't make it clear enough. I didn't interrogate others for their beliefs or perspectives, I interrogated others for their questionable arguments and ignoring common sense and facts.

Because, as Prairiegirl said it, all I ever want to know is the truth, no matter what it is.



Like you have facts. Good one.

really? said...

Tom,

WE have some facts. Like Jake's working schedule. Austin's traveling with Sophia. Austin saying he was dating Sophia. Those things happened, they aren't just someone's opinion.

Jersey Tom said...

Whos WE?

really said...

WE = JiG fans who post on OMG and WFT2.

Jersey Tom said...

JIG or JIS?

Special K said...

Long day of family and they haven't even gotten here yet. Big party over my brother's, family friends and lots of kids. My dad's flight has been delayed so we are waiting by the phone for the next update. He's going to be worn out by the time he gets here.

The Sipple case is still used in discussions over ethics in journalism classes.

All the discussion over cars and keys. Have a feeling that Austin is used to driving and also driving own his own, so it was reflex about unlocking the car etc. Besides is he is a good Southern boy, he knows all about unlocking and opening doors. It's second nature. Must say I'm not compulsive about anything except keys, even that I keep second set permanently either in my purse or briefcase, as a backup. So I can understand about both caring their keys. It does make you feel like something's missing if you don't have them with you.

Jake back at the Farmer's market. Don't think he brought the grandma shopping cart with him for that trip unless he has a sidecar or a little trailer attached to the back. LOL

really said...

'Jake is gay' fans.

Special K said...
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really said...

JIG or JIS?

'Jake is gay' fans.

Jersey Tom said...

really said...
'Jake is gay' fans.

So you think Jake is Gay but just not with Austin.

really said...

Yes, I think they aren't a couple anymore.

Jersey Tom said...

really said...
Yes, I think they aren't a couple anymore.


Ok. We all hear ya and you are free to think what you want. I think they are a couple still. I think that was Austin at the Farmers Market. Do you really think you are gonna convnce any of us that J amd A arent a couple. Dont you get tired of beating a dead horse.

really said...

Do you really think you are gonna convnce any of us that J amd A arent a couple.

Why would I want that? Some people here agree with me, others disagree.

m said...

I would never leave my house without my wallet, or its key contents in a travel bag, no matter where I was going. You need ID for many reasons.

The discussion of the keys and their meaning is just an effort to divert attention from the fact that Jake and Austin made a point of being seen together. Trolls blathered on for months that they were not seen together so must not be together. Jake and Austin made a point to prove that it is not so, they are indeed still together.

I am guessing they have matching motorbikes. They have matching attire, both have bikes and as I recall matching bike helmets. Makes sense they would buy 2 motorbikes so they could ride together. Heath loved his motorcycle because when wearing the helmet he had total anonymity.

Jersey Tom said...

really said...
Do you really think you are gonna convnce any of us that J amd A arent a couple.

Why would I want that? Some people here agree with me, others disagree.



Really did you used to post under a different name?

so in love! said...

Awwww..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4179495&l=5dd5b6b456&id=220917498885

really? said...

The discussion of the keys and their meaning is just an effort to divert attention from the fact that Jake and Austin made a point of being seen together.

I'm sure Prairiegirl did not post "Actually, I am afraid what the keys show to me is that Austin lives in his own house" in effort to divert attention from anything, and her comment was the reason for today's keys discussion.

seen it said...

It's on Just Jared. Another posed shot. Look at how many of her by herself.

really said...

Really did you used to post under a different name?

Yes. I'm not going to reveal it.

Jersey Tom said...

really? said...
The discussion of the keys and their meaning is just an effort to divert attention from the fact that Jake and Austin made a point of being seen together.

I'm sure Prairiegirl did not post "Actually, I am afraid what the keys show to me is that Austin lives in his own house" in effort to divert attention from anything, and her comment was the reason for today's keys discussion.



Really Austins keys had a key to Jakes car in the set.

Really I think you are a person with an old vendetta. I wish you would let it go.

so in love! said...

Awwww...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4179495&l=5dd5b6b456&id=220917498885

JMO said...

Things were very different in 1975 than they are today when it comes to the consequences of outing someone.

I don't agree with this, but even if it were true, it's still up to the individual to decide.

Today's Out Spotlight is very interesting, and is a prime example of using someone's personal situation to further a cause, at the expense of that individual. It's never up to someone else to decide to take control of someone's personal information, and to use it, even if maybe would have a positive outcome. Mr. Sipple did a heroic thing, and it's unfair and unethical to take advantage of his personal life, causing him so much anguish that that he would regret doing such a great deed and have health issues from additonal stress. He was already suffering stress and health issues.

Just because things may be different today, doesn't change that. This is just my opinion.

really said...

Really Austins keys had a key to Jakes car in the set.

Maybe. Maybe not. We can't know that. As simple as that.

really said...

Really I think you are a person with an old vendetta.

You are wrong. I believe Jake&Austin fandom should be more about 'all I ever want to know is the truth, no matter what it is', that's all.

Special K said...

Go Celtics! Beat LA!

prairiegirl said...

Oh no, Tom is not wrong, really?.


I didn't say that so you could jump on some imagined bandwagon you think I may have going. You are not allowed to ride on any kind of wagon of mine, so get off.


I recognize you now.

WE have some facts. Like Jake's working schedule. Austin's traveling with Sophia. Austin saying he was dating Sophia. Those things happened, they aren't just someone's opinion.

June 6, 2010 5:31 PM



You're the one who argued with me that Sunday on WFT2. You're the one who kept saying you had "work schedules" to prove that Jake & Austin were no longer together. You're the one who wouldn't let it go over there and led a WFT2 squashing of myself from which I will never return to that place.

You are the one. You are an Austin basher.

I see you now. Oh really?. You come over here in sheep's clothing and your gig is now up.


You're a troll of the worst kind.

prairiegirl said...

And anyone can open all four car doors with a set of keys, even a spare set. Duh.


All you have to do is hit the open button twice and it opens all four doors.

That argument's a big loss-ola.

prairiegirl said...

Austin & Sophia on Just Jared. They called him Nicholas.


Serves him right.

really said...

You're a troll of the worst kind.

I'm not a troll.

Prairiegirl, I'm sorry to hear that using a fact, like Jake's working schedule, as an argument is unexceptable to you. I don't understand how is that possible, but that doesn't matter.
I'm sorry if I was the reason you had a bad time on WFT2, that was never my intention.

boxoffice mojo said...

PoP as of 6/6/10

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $59,452,000 27.5%
+ Foreign: $156,400,000 72.5%
= Worldwide: $215,852,000

M and M said...

Austin & Sophia on Just Jared. They called him Nicholas.

Oh no! This headline is too funny. Sophia Bush & Austin Nicholas: Chrysalis Butterfly Ball!

First, Austin has to take second billing to Jake, now SB, and then they misspell his name. Great publicity, my man. But, then Austin's not really there for the publicity now is he? Two other impressions I had the moment I looked at that photo. He and Jake seem to embrace that same homeless look whenever they are bearding and I do believe he's making sure to hold his left arm in a way that everyone sees that ring on his finger. Just like Jake was doing at Heathrow Airport in early May.

prairiegirl said...

I'm not a troll.

Prairiegirl, I'm sorry to hear that using a fact, like Jake's working schedule, as an argument is unexceptable to you. I don't understand how is that possible, but that doesn't matter.
I'm sorry if I was the reason you had a bad time on WFT2, that was never my intention.



Bullcrap. That is nothing but bullcrap.

Yes, you are a troll. Pure Grade A troll.

And oh yes, you did intend to lead the brigade. You're proud of it. Don't you dare give me any kind of nicity nice crap about sorry. You are not sorry.


And you do not have work schedules to prove crap. You never answered my question that day about Austin's birthday, did you?

You never worked on that timeline.

Never mind now. I don't need to hear anything more from you.

Jersey Tom said...

GO FLYERS.............

no ring for Austin said...

25 May 2010 - Sophia Bush & Austin Nichols: Red Carpet Couple

somethingsnotright said...

PrairieGirl, you once listed all the medications you take for you psychological problems. Could you list those again? Thanks.

prairiegirl said...

Did I say I understood their reason for bearding????????

Was I having a braincramp when I said that??? Was that a momentary misgiving of some kind of good grace?


I'm having some real trouble here dealing with this one, I am sorry.

You know, it's one thing to whine & cry about being unable to do what you want with your career because people just won't let you be yourself. So you do what you can to have what you want and try to work within the system.


But it's a whole other deal to whine & cry about the same thing, do what you can to work within the system, and then still go out and flaunt out in public that you can have it all. And give a big Up Yours to those people who will support you.

I'm no fool. Nice PG is not so nice when she is made to look like a fool.



He and Jake seem to embrace that same homeless look whenever they are bearding and I do believe he's making sure to hold his left arm in a way that everyone sees that ring on his finger. Just like Jake was doing at Heathrow Airport in early May.

And I know that I for one will not be fed a Milkbone while one is in the full throes of bearding.

PG won't be bought. That's not even a Milkbone.

That's a Kibbles n Bit.

prairiegirl said...

grrrr

Special K said...

No ring for Austin?

Oh yes there is: HERE.


I do believe he's making sure to hold his left arm in a way that everyone sees that ring on his finger. Just like Jake was doing at Heathrow Airport in early May.
Exactly M&M!

prairiegirl said...

PrairieGirl, you once listed all the medications you take for you psychological problems. Could you list those again? Thanks.



Talk to the hand.

no ring for Austin said...

No ring for Austin?
Oh yes there is: HERE.


There was no ring for 25 May 2010, Sophia Bush & Austin Nichols: Red Carpet photo op.

M and M said...

Sophia Bush and One Tree Hill co-star (and real-life boyfriend) Austin Nichols attend the 2010 Chrysalis Butterfly Ball held at At a private Mandeville Canyon estate on Saturday (June 5) in Los Angeles. The event raised much-needed funds to help individuals out of poverty and homelessness by providing the tools needed to gain employment.

LOL. Raising funds for the homeless. I swear I hadn't read that excerpt when I made my original comment. Austin must have don the appearance of suited vagabond so he could collect some of that money. Bearding just doesn't pay like it use to. I'm surprised he didn't wear a flannel shirt like someone else we know and love who use to go to morning coffee runs with his former one and only.

Okay. I forgive you, Austin just because of that ring gesture. That a boy!

really said...

And you do not have work schedules to prove crap.

Prairiegirl, we do have work schedules for Jake and for Austin, we are talking about filming info and photos.
Work schedules are facts.
You can't do anything about that, you can't deny facts.
Sorry.

fools said...

Marcus Mumford, Jake's new BFF wears a pinky ring, too. Do we think all 3 are in a committed relationship with each other? That would be coooool!

really said...

And oh yes, you did intend to lead the brigade.

I didn't.
Prairiegirl, you need to make up your mind and tell me what you want. You want me to agree with you, no questions asked?

please said...

I am guessing they have matching motorbikes.

These are two adult men. They are not the Bobbsey Twins, for crissake.

destiny said...

Thanks Jerry Pritikin for your post. I wish I was in San Francisco so I could go see the show. And that story about the destroyed negatives is just heart-breaking. To have so much fear and hate that you'd destroy your own child's legacy.

a few facts who don't count said...

Prairiegirl, we do have work schedules for Jake and for Austin, we are talking about filming info and photos.
Work schedules are facts.
You can't do anything about that, you can't deny facts.
Sorry.


We also have Hilary Burton saying that Austin always disappears on the weekends and no one on set knows where he goes.
And we also have the girl who won a dinner with Jake saying that he went to NY during the weekends when he was filming PoP (told to her by Jakes own PR).
We also have pics of Jake at the airport on a Sunday leaving LA during shooting PoP.
We also have countless stories about Jake renting places far from the set during the shooting of various movies. Quite a few times while Austin wasn't filming anything and wasn't seen anywhere.

m said...

I had to laugh when I saw the pictures of Austin and Sophia. The mispelled name yes, but that he is bearding exactly like Jake. He looks like he just rolled out of bed with Jake and did not bother to shower. He is saying yes I'm bearding but I'll have my revenge.

Did I just read that Really used to post here under another name but is back with a new identity? What a cowardly thing to do.

destiny said...

Austin's hair looks awful. What'd he do, dunk his head in a bucket of grease and run his fingers through it. well, I guess that's an appropriate 'do for a benefit for the homeless.

And nothing like pushing the straight image for a homeless benefit. Because fuck all those gay homeless kids who get thrown out on the street by their families because their families look around and don't see gay people around them, or in the movies or on the playing field, and tell themselves gay is bad.

I recently got a newsletter from a homeless organization in Maine that had its funding pulled by the Catholic Church because they supported gay marriage when it came up for a vote. They explained that one of the reasons they supported gay marriage is that 40-50 percent of the homeless people they see are gay, and they feel that if gays are more accepted in society, like marriage, families will be less inclined to view it as a bad thing and kick them out.

not facts said...

And we also have the girl who won a dinner with Jake saying that he went to NY during the weekends when he was filming PoP
One weekend, not weekends.

Quite a few times while Austin wasn't filming anything and wasn't seen anywhere.
Austin could have been anywhere, that doesn't prove anything.

M and M said...

What trolls don't get, is people who believe Austin and Jake are still together are not trying to prove anything. It is the naysayers who have an agenda and want to harass and attack every commenter who believes otherwise with the same inane, repetitious drivel. Why don't one of you just have the first post at the beginning of every new thread and have it read: Whatever any Jake and Austin believer says doesn't prove anything. Sort of a troll disclaimer. And, then move the fuck on.

I don't know anyone who has access to Jake and Austin's personal comings and goings. Never mind the countless hours and days, and weeks where no one has any idea where either men are. Bearding means public photo ops or why else have the arrangement. Austin is performing his "duty" just like Jake did for two years. SB was out yesterday shopping. Austin was nowhere in sight. So what does that mean? It means zilch, is what it means.

destiny said...

Why did Elton John perform at Rush Limbaugh's wedding? A man who would do anything to keep gays from getting married. Does Elton John really need a million dollars.

Unbelievable.

prairiegirl said...
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prairiegirl said...

Don't even try and go there with Austin's work schedule. He was done filming OTH at the end of March and frequently had weekends off all during the filming of OTH.

If you can provide twitter sightings, airport photos and gossip website stories of where Austin was during those off working hours, I would absolutely love to see them.

Oh. And there's that little matter of Austin's birthday. From morning until early evening. Of both Jake and Austin. If there is any "work schedule" and photos to show where both guys were on that day, please. Just like I'm still waiting for the pic of Reese inside Maggie's wedding, I'm still waiting to see evidence the two guys were not in the same embrace-reach of each other on Austin's birthday.


Thank you.

really? said...

Don't even try and go there with Austin's work schedule.
I'm talking about last 3 years, not just 2010.

And there's that little matter of Austin's birthday.
On Friday, April 23, Jake was flying to LA from Montreal, visited BH medical building, went out for drinks with friends in the evening. On Saturday (birthday) Jake was out, eating breakfast with Anne. Right? What's special about that?

m said...

Funny that someone is trying to allege another dalliance for Jake with the Mumford guy. They did spend a lot of time together the last couple of days but he does not look like Jake's type.

really? said...

Prairiegirl,

please answer my 9:41 PM question.

lolol! said...

oh shut it m, as if you don't post here AND elsewhere under different names!

Sister Mary Special said...

Getting the ruler out. You know what that means.

info please said...

m, since you seem to know all, what IS Jake's type?

don't get it said...

Do you really think you are gonna convnce any of us that J amd A arent a couple.

- Why would I want that? Some people here agree with me, others disagree.


I agree with you.
I don't think they are a couple anymore.

Some posters here are threatened by that notion. I don't know why.
They won't express it or say it, so some of them get mad and act out when questioned about it. Even with seeing Austin and Sophia together constantly then reading or hearing them comment that they are a couple and dating.

And Jake and Austin are supposed to be together and with a child and children. This would not get my support if I thought they were still a couple.

We get it already said...

I don't think they are a couple anymore....And Jake and Austin are supposed to be together and with a child and children. This would not get my support if I thought they were still a couple.

Then move on to another site that better suits your relentless need to be right. If you think you are somehow original and deep because you keep parroting the knee jerk sentiment, "That doesn't prove anything," you are an even bigger fool than I already thought. People here aren't stupid. They get your point of view. It's only been repeated over and over and over and over, again. Like a broken record. That coupling of Jake and Austin last weekend has most assuredly got some folks worried. It's really too bad that after all these months when people like you gloated over how there were no photos of J&A for over a year, which naturally proved they weren't together, that now that there is one it, of course, doesn't mean anything. Give me a break.

Do you really get it? said...

That coupling of Jake and Austin last weekend has most assuredly got some folks worried. It's really too bad that after all these months when people like you gloated over how there were no photos of J&A for over a year, which naturally proved they weren't together, that now that there is one it, of course, doesn't mean anything. Give me a break.


My point exactly from the above poster.

I'm not worried. Glad to see them together. It made me feel good about them. However, it does not take away the millions of pictures of Sophia and Austin. Are you aware that one is on JustJared as I type? Are you aware of the Statement he and she made about their relationship?
No need to get hostile.
I don't take the pictures of Austin and Sophia and I did not make the comment.

comment for Turbulent mouse said...

I believe in and like the both of them so I don't understant your comments as if I don't.

Your comments about what normal and rich people do to see each other while traveling w/out being seen when in relationship is understood. Never said it could not be done. What you are assuming that can't be seen by the public all the time can go the other way also. Meaning what you think may be going on with Jake and Austin could be totally wrong and just the opposite of your thoughts or wishes. Have you ever thought of this.
The paparazzi will follow Jake anywhere, alone, with a man, with a woman, a dog, picking his nose or clipping his toenails. The paps are there. Don't agree with Jake seeking the pap hangout.

m said...

The millions of pictures of Sophia and Austin are the same as the millions of pictures of Reese. The same few pictures shot at 20 different angles and distances to make them look like more than they are.

Chris, Matt Katz,Austin, the boy in the french park. Those are Jake's type. Throw in Henry Cavill for good measure.

No kidding said...

Have you ever thought of this.

How could we avoid it, with trolls like you.

m said...

Jake has turned up plenty of times without being spotted getting there. He is seen arriving at airports but not departing and vice versa. Most of his time is unaccounted for and even more of Austin's time. If it was not for Jared, a PR fed site, we would not see him at all. They can both hide when they want to. And they are doing a damn good job hiding a child.

destiny said...

If it wasn't for JJ Austin wouldn't get any publicity. He's on a show that's watched by only 2 million people a week, and most of those are very young girls. No likely to be hanging out at the Chateu, high end restaurants, etc.

Nobody tweets or paps Austin on his own. Even on the JJ posts 95% of the comments are about Sophia.

If Austin thinks that bearding is going to win him fans and attention, well, he should take a real close look at Reeke and the fact that POP is considered a failure. I'm sure Jake and his people thought Reeke would help make him an A-list star, put butts in the seats for his movie.

And on ONTD Sophia barely registered any comments. Everyone was going on about Mila Kunis. Now there is someone who has never used her relationship for some cheap publicity. No wonder people like her.

I get it said...

My point isn't about what I believe or don't believe, quite frankly I have no idea what is going on- I just think they're kind of adorable. I was just pointing out that none of us do. Any argument obviously has holes in it, in any direction of thought because of course we don't know what they do all the time, or don't do.

I agree with you. I now believe they are not together, that's all.

I do believe some non reg posters can go to far with questions and complaints and and some reg posters can go to far with making everything fit to support their views.

destiny said...

By the way, since Jake dumped the beard his posts on ONTD are up around 300 comments, and everyone seems to like him again. A far cry from the bearding days.

He should take a lesson from that, and hopefully not beard again.

And Austin should take a lesson from that too. People who continue to think their career can be built on who they are seen with are going to be left behind.

m said...

Well said Destiny. Jake lost his personality during Reeke. It came back too little too late for US fans. He'll probably do fine by the time his next movie comes out. It has a lower budget so does not need to make as much to be called a hit, plus he is winning back fan interest. There seem to be more hits on IHJ, which pulls the young female crowd and is suited to LAOD. DC forum however is dead as a doornail. I don't mean just slash but eyelashes and interest in POP as well.

It occurs to me that Jake's PR and management staff is coming under tremendous flack for the POP failure. They have a lot of splainin' to do and are looking to shift the blame.

hum said...

"Just like I'm still waiting for the pic of Reese inside Maggie's wedding, I'm still waiting to see evidence the two guys were not in the same embrace-reach of each other on Austin's birthday. the world."

I am still waiting to see evidence of the contrary.

Double standard anyone said...

I am still waiting to see evidence of the contrary.

Why am I not surprised by this predictable response. Oh, you love to demand evidence/proof from others, yet avoid any need to provide any of your own. Classic.

lol said...

prairiegirl said...
You are not allowed to ride on any kind of wagon of mine, so get off.


How presumptuous of you prairiefrau! The world does not revolve around your platitudes. Get over y'self already.

wtf? said...

That coupling of Jake and Austin last weekend has most assuredly got some folks worried.

People who believe Jake and Austin are gay and they were a couple are worried about Jake and Austin pictures????????? What is wrong with you?